Britains diesel scandal

[reworht]

How will I tug my tin tent to Cornwall without a decent sized torquey diesel?

[oldcarguy]

Originally Posted by reworht

How will I tug my tin tent to Cornwall without a decent sized torquey diesel?

Maybe one of those 1.0 ltr, 3 cyl turbo chappies will do the job.

[reworht]

Originally Posted by oldcarguy

Maybe one of those 1.0 ltr, 3 cyl turbo chappies will do the job.

Should be OK on the downhill bits

[stevestrat]

Originally Posted by reworht

How will I tug my tin tent to Cornwall without a decent sized torquey diesel?

Downsize!

[MSS]

Originally Posted by reworht

How will I tug my tin tent to Cornwall without a decent sized torquey diesel?

Buy yourself a big V8 petrol estate. That will wipe the smiles off the anti-diesel critics.

[andymc]

Originally Posted by Number 6

well I for one will never buy an Electri car,,,,,,they wont go the distance without recharging.

Originally Posted by stevestrat

Have to agree with that. At the moment unless its just for going to the shops you'd need to plan a trip like a military operation.

The new Nissan Leaf seems to have a real-world range of around 140-160 miles on a single charge. That's the 40 kWh version, with a 64 kWh model due to arrive in 2019-2020 with 225 miles of range.

The Hyundai Kona, an SUV/crossover-type car, has a real-world range of about 230 miles and comes out later this year. There's also the Kia Niro (another small SUV) which does over 230 miles on a charge. The Hyundai Ioniq, being one of the most aerodynamic cars on the road, should be capable of nearly 300 miles on a charge when the 60+ kWh version comes out.

Obviously the likes of the Tesla Model 3 and Model S are still the market leaders, but other manufacturers such as VW and BMW have mid-range (110-130 miles) cars on offer right now, with upgrade models in the pipeline over the next year or two.

Rapid charging usually take 30 minutes up to 80%, after which the charging rate slows down to protect the battery. Overnight charging on a slow charge takes 6-7 hours, depending on connection etc. Battery and powertrain warranties tend to be for 8 years/100000 miles, depending on manufacturer.

[maxi_crawf]

I'm sure that eventually battery capacity and fast charging will be sorted out but I don't fancy driving round Europe in one.

[topman]

Really big increases in real world range, impressive really. Someone at work has just gone all electric car in both the cars (his and hers leafs) and they go all over. They think nothing of going down to Cornwall etc.

[andymc]

Originally Posted by maxi_crawf

I'm sure that eventually battery capacity and fast charging will be sorted out but I don't fancy driving round Europe in one.

Luckily, most people don't need to drive a car round Europe on a regular basis. For example, my own normal weekly driving covers about 100 miles, so in a new Leaf or an Ioniq just one charge every 9-10 days would be enough for me. In fact, I might even manage it on one charge a week with a previous generation Leaf, although it'd be pretty tight.

In terms of long-distance driving, seven or eight times a year I do a 560-mile round trip over a weekend. So a 300-mile range would easily suffice for that, allowing for an overnight slow charge. It takes me about 4.5 hours each way to do that trip without significant traffic delays and frankly, that's as much driving as I ever want to do either in a day or in a weekend, even in my incredibly comfortable Rover 75. So some models already available, and more models coming out this year and next would cover that.

Battery charging times are also coming down a bit but in any case, with 300 miles per charge starting to become available from this year on, there won't be as much need to rapid-charge so frequently.

[Groundsman Willie]

Originally Posted by reworht

How will I tug my tin tent to Cornwall without a decent sized torquey diesel?

Give it a few years, caravans will be banned for being ecologically unsound. The increase in the drag coefficient will take the fuel economy of a car over the legally permitted 10% variance. Same will go for roof boxes and driving with a window open.