whats the difference between FGM and

macafee2 · 27th February 2018, 21:33

what is the difference between FGM, Female General Mutilation... can be removal of girls NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- and circumcision in a child? Surly both could or rather are, carried out without the child's permission
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/circumcision-in-men/

I guess my questions is really, are both not mutilation?

macafee2

Darcydog · 28th February 2018, 00:34

Odd subject Ian for me to be replying to at 1:20 am!! - but such is the wonders of insomnia.....

As I understand it - the two are very different.

With mail circumcision- a ring of skin is removed - the foreskin - that is all. This has no effect on sexual enjoyment and whilst it can be performed on religious grounds - it can also be done on medical grounds when the foreskin is too large or too tight.

With FGM - the entire NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- c1itori5 (apologies mods) is removed. This has a dramatic negative effect on sexual enjoyment- it leaves a scar that often tears and also makes natural childbirth more difficult.

It is only ever carried out on “religious” grounds by those religions that seek to subjugate women. It is never carried out on medical grounds.

In my view it is assault against the person and as it is done to young pre-pubescent girls those that ask for it to be done to their children and those that carry out this barbaric act should be charged with assault against a child and placed upon the sex offenders register.

rustymotor · 28th February 2018, 06:06

I put those acts in the same boat as building a mosque in the middle of a council estate..wonder if you would get planning permission for a Church in the middle of Riyadh..

macafee2 · 28th February 2018, 10:07

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Originally Posted by Darcydog

Odd subject Ian for me to be replying to at 1:20 am!! - but such is the wonders of insomnia.....

As I understand it - the two are very different.

With mail circumcision- a ring of skin is removed - the foreskin - that is all. This has no effect on sexual enjoyment and whilst it can be performed on religious grounds - it can also be done on medical grounds when the foreskin is too large or too tight.

With FGM - the entire NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- c1itori5 (apologies mods) is removed. This has a dramatic negative effect on sexual enjoyment- it leaves a scar that often tears and also makes natural childbirth more difficult.

It is only ever carried out on “religious” grounds by those religions that seek to subjugate women. It is never carried out on medical grounds.

In my view it is assault against the person and as it is done to young pre-pubescent girls those that ask for it to be done to their children and those that carry out this barbaric act should be charged with assault against a child and placed upon the sex offenders register.

sorry may not have explained myself very well.
Are both not mutilation when done to a child for religious reasons?
Should circumcision not be outlawed until the age of x?

macafee2

macafee2

solarsailor · 28th February 2018, 10:50

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Originally Posted by macafee2

.....Are both not mutilation when done to a child for religious reasons?..........

Yes, I agree.

This subject was discussed on The Wright Stuff a couple of days ago (a daily C5 debate programme). In my opinion circumcision is genital mutilation and as unsavoury as FGM. While there are occasionally medical reasons for it, I feel the removal of a newborn's foreskin on religious grounds to be abhorrent. If some people decide to have the procedure done on reaching an age where they can make an informed decision then that's not an issue, but giving them no choice in the matter is very different.

HarryM1BYT · 28th February 2018, 11:59

I was watching a program yesterday evening on the subject (FGM), not being certain what it really involved. I'm not sure whether it was live, or on watch it again. The program followed attempts in the UK to trace the people involved, get them in court and convict. The case it followed, failed. It seems that it is very difficult to get sufficient evidence and make a successful prosecution. None has ever been successful in the UK.

Darcydog · 28th February 2018, 12:13

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Originally Posted by macafee2

sorry may not have explained myself very well.
Are both not mutilation when done to a child for religious reasons?
Should circumcision not be outlawed until the age of x?

macafee2

macafee2

Yes - I think you have a point Ian. I am certainly not a fan of any religion or culture that does such things for non-medical reasons.

The Chinese used to bind the feet of young girls to keep them small - ultra small crippled feet was thought to be “attractive”. Not sure if it was religious or culture - or both.

One good thing Mao did was to stop all that nonsence.

FGM is very much to do with psychologically impaired Males with small bits needing to feel they are bigger in that “department”.

Amoral scum.

macafee2 · 28th February 2018, 12:14

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Originally Posted by HarryM1BYT

I was watching a program yesterday evening on the subject (FGM), not being certain what it really involved. I'm not sure whether it was live, or on watch it again. The program followed attempts in the UK to trace the people involved, get them in court and convict. The case it followed, failed. It seems that it is very difficult to get sufficient evidence and make a successful prosecution. None has ever been successful in the UK.

I think we may have seen the same program. I think the program said Law came into being 1985, number of successful prosecutions 0?

macafee2

Darcydog · 28th February 2018, 12:18

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Originally Posted by macafee2

I think we may have seen the same program. I think the program said Law came into being 1985, number of successful prosecutions 0?

macafee2

That’s a pretty appalling statistic.

macafee2 · 28th February 2018, 13:50

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Originally Posted by Darcydog

That’s a pretty appalling statistic.

it's a pretty appalling think to do to a female.

mmm come to think of it, most women probably think its a waste of time having one, as men generally cant find the blessed thing

I cant get my head around honour killings either. Does the community really think more of parents for killing their daughter or having her killed then if the daughter was to marry out of cast, class, colour?

macafee2

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Darcydog This is my second home Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 5,428 Thanks: 3,123 Thanked 3,170 Times in 2,096 Posts	Odd subject Ian for me to be replying to at 1:20 am!! - but such is the wonders of insomnia..... As I understand it - the two are very different. With mail circumcision- a ring of skin is removed - the foreskin - that is all. This has no effect on sexual enjoyment and whilst it can be performed on religious grounds - it can also be done on medical grounds when the foreskin is too large or too tight. With FGM - the entire NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD-NAUGHTY WORD- c1itori5 (apologies mods) is removed. This has a dramatic negative effect on sexual enjoyment- it leaves a scar that often tears and also makes natural childbirth more difficult. It is only ever carried out on “religious” grounds by those religions that seek to subjugate women. It is never carried out on medical grounds. In my view it is assault against the person and as it is done to young pre-pubescent girls those that ask for it to be done to their children and those that carry out this barbaric act should be charged with assault against a child and placed upon the sex offenders register.