JLR suffering from Diesel over reliance - Page 2

KWIL · 1st November 2018, 09:58

I would have loved an XF or similar, but diesel only in UK, petrol in USA where the diesel had not made its mark. Skip forward to 2018 and the hammer has dropped on JLR etc.

mac61 · 1st November 2018, 11:15

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Originally Posted by topman

Can be difficult to turn things around when they've spent so heavily in diesels. It'll take time to bring out the electric models.

They've had a very good run so it can be hard to keep that going year in year out. They still have revenues of £5.6bn.

Revenues of £5.6bn are irrelevant if you don't make a profit!

MSS · 1st November 2018, 11:27

If you live out in the country and don't drive much into cities, this is a great time to buy that 3.0+ litre V6 diesel.

topman · 1st November 2018, 11:53

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Originally Posted by mac61

Revenues of £5.6bn are irrelevant if you don't make a profit!

Well of course, but it was just to show the loss isn't that great in the grand scheme of things and not in panic stations yet.

SCP440 · 1st November 2018, 15:57

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Originally Posted by mss

If you live out in the country and don't drive much into cities, this is a great time to buy that 3.0+ litre V6 diesel.

Only if you don't mind changing EGR valves on a regular basis.

Seriously there are some amazing used Diesel bargains out there at the moment as long as you are willing to take a chance on what the government are going to do to Tax these cars off the road. I was at the local car auction recently and anything with a Diesel engine was fetching half of what it was fetching less than 12 months ago.

coab · 1st November 2018, 15:59

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Originally Posted by SCP440

Only if you don't mind changing EGR valves on a regular basis.

Seriously there are some amazing used Diesel bargains out there at the moment as long as you are willing to take a chance on what the government are going to do to Tax these cars off the road. I was at the local car auction recently and anything with a Diesel engine was fetching half of what it was fetching less than 12 months ago.

I should be Ok then with my tweaked Volvo engine.

bl52krz · 1st November 2018, 17:02

I don’t agree with your statement that the latest Petrol get as many miles per gallon as their diesels. Check it out for yourself.

FrazzleTC · 2nd November 2018, 18:54

I’d say that there’s more to this than just diesels, having owned a relatively recent product for a spell now! The dealers are pretty awful, and it took considerable negotiation for them to admit that the car I’d bought as a 1 owner vehicle with full history was actually a 3 owner car with a 2.5 year gap in its service history!
The quality is poor too, I’ve had endless trouble with mine, and the brand new F-Pace I’ve got on loan has got niggles too! I really want to support British industry, but I’d be reluctant, at this stage to buy another. I think I’d rather have saved up for longer and got a Volvo V90!

However, I’ll see how my XF fares and see if it’s repaired when I get it back, before making a final judgement on where I am with them!

Shame, because their products do drive beautifully, and the 3.0 diesels are excellent, if you can live with the common faults.

victorgte · 2nd November 2018, 20:36

Thirsty petrol engines, no hybrid and no electric car means JLR have set themselves up to fail. Add to that the comments about quality and reliability and they really have been winging it.
Sad as they really make some beautiful cars. I would still like a late nineties X300 saloon.

patrolman pete · 2nd November 2018, 21:53

Rather than blaming diesel engines for their woes, I'd say perhaps the world had woken up to their poor reliability ! I work in the breakdown industry and as well as mechanical issues, we have software issues leaving people stranded , even batteries going flat because the door's have been opened a couple of times without the engine running is a common theme with Range Rover's !

1st November 2018, 17:02	#17
bl52krz This is my second home Rover 75 cdt club + Rover 2.5 KV6 Conni SE Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 11,412 Thanks: 6,587 Thanked 2,262 Times in 1,729 Posts	I don’t agree with your statement that the latest Petrol get as many miles per gallon as their diesels. Check it out for yourself. __________________ Great Barr, Birmingham.

2nd November 2018, 18:54	#18
FrazzleTC This is my second home Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Staffordshire Moorlands Posts: 7,924 Thanks: 533 Thanked 1,178 Times in 920 Posts	I’d say that there’s more to this than just diesels, having owned a relatively recent product for a spell now! The dealers are pretty awful, and it took considerable negotiation for them to admit that the car I’d bought as a 1 owner vehicle with full history was actually a 3 owner car with a 2.5 year gap in its service history! The quality is poor too, I’ve had endless trouble with mine, and the brand new F-Pace I’ve got on loan has got niggles too! I really want to support British industry, but I’d be reluctant, at this stage to buy another. I think I’d rather have saved up for longer and got a Volvo V90! However, I’ll see how my XF fares and see if it’s repaired when I get it back, before making a final judgement on where I am with them! Shame, because their products do drive beautifully, and the 3.0 diesels are excellent, if you can live with the common faults. __________________ 1967 Rover 2000 Automatic 1969 Rover 3500 Series One 1979 Scimitar GTE 2013 Mercedes SLK250 CDI

2nd November 2018, 20:36	#19
victorgte I really should get out more....... MGTF, MGZT, Range Rover Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Cheltenham Posts: 2,805 Thanks: 395 Thanked 633 Times in 446 Posts	Thirsty petrol engines, no hybrid and no electric car means JLR have set themselves up to fail. Add to that the comments about quality and reliability and they really have been winging it. Sad as they really make some beautiful cars. I would still like a late nineties X300 saloon. __________________ MG TF 135, MG ZT, Range Rover P38

1st November 2018, 09:58	#11
KWIL Precise Rover 75 Tourer 2.5KV6 Connoisseur SE Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Fleet Posts: 2,957 Thanks: 630 Thanked 617 Times in 480 Posts	I would have loved an XF or similar, but diesel only in UK, petrol in USA where the diesel had not made its mark. Skip forward to 2018 and the hammer has dropped on JLR etc.

1st November 2018, 11:27	#13
MSS This is my second home Rover 75CDT, Jaguar XF-S 3.0V6, V'xhall Omega V6 Estate, Twintop 1.8VVT, Astra Estate and Corsa 1.2 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7,091 Thanks: 283 Thanked 624 Times in 440 Posts	If you live out in the country and don't drive much into cities, this is a great time to buy that 3.0+ litre V6 diesel.

2nd November 2018, 21:53	#20
patrolman pete Posted a thing or two Rover 75 club se tourer CDT and a Connoisseur SE Diesel Auto Saloon Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Houghton - le - Spring Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 618 Thanked 333 Times in 197 Posts	Rather than blaming diesel engines for their woes, I'd say perhaps the world had woken up to their poor reliability ! I work in the breakdown industry and as well as mechanical issues, we have software issues leaving people stranded , even batteries going flat because the door's have been opened a couple of times without the engine running is a common theme with Range Rover's !