lots of RTC'S with no MOT

macafee2 · 17th October 2018, 14:48

just trying to find what % of RTC's, Road Traffic Collisions involve vehicles that do not have an MOT. Could not find the information but came across lots of posts here and there where people have been involved in an RTC and either they or the other car do not have an mot.

With ANPR this should not be happening, after all, in Police Interceptors people are stopped for no MOT and surly they are not just doing it for the cameras.

more then 6 years ago my wife forgot to have her car moted and never got stopped.

What should the penalty be? Should penalty be based on the next mot result, if it passes, no action, fails on minor, small fine, fails on major, big fine? Should the mot because its being done on a car stopped by the police for no mot, be done by independent garage or done by VOSA ?

If no MOT (except for driving to and from an mot testing station) make insurance void except for 3rd party, so if you crash your car, insurance does not pay you.

with winter coming, easy to set up police check areas and stop people with faulty lights and see where that leads.

macafee2

Nick Greg · 17th October 2018, 15:06

I believe there are already penalties in place but it doesn't seem you get points? Someone will know better than I do I expect

P-Nut · 17th October 2018, 15:53

Hard to find the figures, but the cause of accidents because of a faulty car are very low

bl52krz · 18th October 2018, 19:20

Most accidents are caused by faulty DRIVING not faulty cars. However, this is not an excuse for not having an mot. The penalty is a bit like the people who are caught with no insurance, negligible. The fine should be easy for no insurance. Make them fill in an application on line for it, and whatever it comes to, multiply it by two and that should be their fine. If they can not pay it, keep their car until they do, and then if not paid,crush it and charge them for storage and transport to the crusher. Bet there would not be many uninsured cars around like there is now. Cruel to be kind comes to mind.

stevestrat · 18th October 2018, 10:10

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Originally Posted by Nick Greg

I believe there are already penalties in place but it doesn't seem you get points? Someone will know better than I do I expect

No points, usually a £100 fixed penalty ticket although a court can fine up to £1000.

Nick Greg · 23rd October 2018, 10:01

There has to come a day when, simply, if you get in the car without tax,MOT or insurance, some device or other disables the car from starting. Can't be that difficult to come up with something?

Mike Noc · 23rd October 2018, 10:08

All the technology is already here - no will from the Government to use it though.

Bit like speeding - if the government was serious about preventing it then all new cars would be fitted with limiting devices to prevent them speeding.

P-Nut · 23rd October 2018, 19:16

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Originally Posted by Mike Noc

All the technology is already here - no will from the Government to use it though.

Bit like speeding - if the government was serious about preventing it then all new cars would be fitted with limiting devices to prevent them speeding.

Can't make extra revenue if you stop the speeders

mystabe · 17th October 2018, 16:23

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Originally Posted by macafee2

just trying to find what % of RTC's, Road Traffic Collisions involve vehicles that do not have an MOT. Could not find the information but came across lots of posts here and there where people have been involved in an RTC and either they or the other car do not have an mot.

With ANPR this should not be happening, after all, in Police Interceptors people are stopped for no MOT and surly they are not just doing it for the cameras.

more then 6 years ago my wife forgot to have her car moted and never got stopped.

What should the penalty be? Should penalty be based on the next mot result, if it passes, no action, fails on minor, small fine, fails on major, big fine? Should the mot because its being done on a car stopped by the police for no mot, be done by independent garage or done by VOSA ?

If no MOT (except for driving to and from an mot testing station) make insurance void except for 3rd party, so if you crash your car, insurance does not pay you.

with winter coming, easy to set up police check areas and stop people with faulty lights and see where that leads.

macafee2

Your wife should have been arrested, spent a night in a cell and had the car crushed - starting from your position there is no other option, implying she was 'lucky' is no excuse. I am obviously joking and I wouldn't wish anything like that - as it's probably your fault

Oh and I would imagine very few, most cars on those programs have been stolen and will have a current MOT.

macafee2 · 17th October 2018, 16:43

not suggesting reason for RTC is a fault.

macafee2

17th October 2018, 14:48	#1
macafee2 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon & Tourer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Lincoln Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 1,630 Thanked 3,032 Times in 2,181 Posts	lots of RTC'S with no MOT just trying to find what % of RTC's, Road Traffic Collisions involve vehicles that do not have an MOT. Could not find the information but came across lots of posts here and there where people have been involved in an RTC and either they or the other car do not have an mot. With ANPR this should not be happening, after all, in Police Interceptors people are stopped for no MOT and surly they are not just doing it for the cameras. more then 6 years ago my wife forgot to have her car moted and never got stopped. What should the penalty be? Should penalty be based on the next mot result, if it passes, no action, fails on minor, small fine, fails on major, big fine? Should the mot because its being done on a car stopped by the police for no mot, be done by independent garage or done by VOSA ? If no MOT (except for driving to and from an mot testing station) make insurance void except for 3rd party, so if you crash your car, insurance does not pay you. with winter coming, easy to set up police check areas and stop people with faulty lights and see where that leads. macafee2

17th October 2018, 15:53	#3
P-Nut Gets stuck in MG ZT 190+ Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: North Shields Posts: 561 Thanks: 143 Thanked 170 Times in 103 Posts	Hard to find the figures, but the cause of accidents because of a faulty car are very low __________________ Approved food eater

18th October 2018, 19:20	#4
bl52krz This is my second home Rover 75 cdt club + Rover 2.5 KV6 Conni SE Join Date: May 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 11,396 Thanks: 6,587 Thanked 2,262 Times in 1,729 Posts	Most accidents are caused by faulty DRIVING not faulty cars. However, this is not an excuse for not having an mot. The penalty is a bit like the people who are caught with no insurance, negligible. The fine should be easy for no insurance. Make them fill in an application on line for it, and whatever it comes to, multiply it by two and that should be their fine. If they can not pay it, keep their car until they do, and then if not paid,crush it and charge them for storage and transport to the crusher. Bet there would not be many uninsured cars around like there is now. Cruel to be kind comes to mind. __________________ Great Barr, Birmingham.

17th October 2018, 15:06	#2
Nick Greg Posted a thing or two Honda Insight Hybrid Join Date: May 2015 Location: Brighouse Posts: 1,157 Thanks: 691 Thanked 424 Times in 280 Posts	I believe there are already penalties in place but it doesn't seem you get points? Someone will know better than I do I expect

23rd October 2018, 10:01	#6
Nick Greg Posted a thing or two Honda Insight Hybrid Join Date: May 2015 Location: Brighouse Posts: 1,157 Thanks: 691 Thanked 424 Times in 280 Posts	There has to come a day when, simply, if you get in the car without tax,MOT or insurance, some device or other disables the car from starting. Can't be that difficult to come up with something?

23rd October 2018, 10:08	#7
Mike Noc This is my second home Rover 75 CDT Manual Connoisseur SE, Rover 75 CDT Automatic Connoisseur SE & a Freelander Td4. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hampshire Posts: 11,552 Thanks: 3,470 Thanked 3,119 Times in 2,247 Posts	All the technology is already here - no will from the Government to use it though. Bit like speeding - if the government was serious about preventing it then all new cars would be fitted with limiting devices to prevent them speeding.

17th October 2018, 16:43	#10
macafee2 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon & Tourer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Lincoln Posts: 14,931 Thanks: 1,630 Thanked 3,032 Times in 2,181 Posts	not suggesting reason for RTC is a fault. macafee2