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hang on a second, yes we have unemployed who cannot work and cannot find work of any sort but we also have those that do not want to work. Those that do not want to work are the targets not those that want to but cannot. As for cost of groceries, surly if farmers are paid more and the cost is passed on to the consumer by every retail outlet then that is the price people will pay. It is when undercutting happens that the "saving" is forced onto the farmer. Did I see a program on Rolls Royce where a farming family had 8 Rolls Royces? No one person is to blame, it is collective macafee2 |
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I'm not in the slightest way objecting or criticising the benefits system. Indeed, I'm proud of our society that looks after the incapacitated, the genuinely unwell or the truly incapable. And as for the NHS, well - I have good reason to thank it for my life - twice.
On the other hand, and in view of the current furloughing, another Americanism we could do without, I have serious doubts that every beneficiary will be deserving, or that all claimants or their erstwhile employers will be squeaky clean. Nor will I praise the chairmen or directors of the big companies who do not forego their Midas level bonuses and share options/expenses rackets while they claim finance from the rest of us. Crises bring out the best and the unbelievable worst in some people, I hope 'their names are taken' and publicised. On a personal note, Celia and I were today considering our own position in the light of current events. We both are incredibly, for the first time ever, hugely relieved to be old, no - ancient, and beyond the danger zone of imposed poverty due to whatever our betters (we no longer have 'elders') and seniors deem to be in our best interests. Of course, they are always wrong anyway. That's it, midnight, off to dreams of better things, following a wee one from my bottle of Mandarine Napolean. And I don't even care if it is French.
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Might be useful to research the level of:
1. Farm failures leading to local communities dispersing. 2. 2nd & 3rd generations not following their family into farming. 3. Farms selling part or all of their land to developers who value the land way over agricultural capital - soon to lose agri-subsidy from Europe! The facts are that more than a few farmers know labour rates in Eastern Europe are vastly different to here and seek to utilise the opportunity to capitalise. Also as said earlier the supermarkets have them over a barrel and are completely and ruthlessly dictating what they, the supermarkets, want to pay. The farmers are not all single minded animal enthusiasts but are also in business to make profit and I for one don't blame them for a minute. As a young child I lived on a farm in North Thoresby, Lincs. for some years and first heard of the 24 hour working day. The world has moved on from picture-postcard Haywains and many of those quaint farmhouses are second homes for city dwellers.
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I think we are getting our wires crossed re And I've no idea what you've seen on TV. To say that stinking rich farmers is representative of the whole industry would be so far from the truth it's unbelievable. I never said it was representative I was saying that I'm sure there was a program about RR and a farming family had 8 or was it they had had 7 previously and were on the 8th? The pay for the farm workers I assume is linked to what the farmer gets and industry pay. I do not think either living wage or minimum wage is enough. Even in 2024 I have my doubts about it. Ask me what it should be, don't know, partly because I don't know what I earnt full time but not less then £10 I doubt I could cover all bases with an opinion. macafee2 |
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I think it's fair to say it's a matter of perception. The public have a sort of 'family' feeling about supermarkets, not exactly that they are kindly and considerate but more in a familiarity sense. When in fact they are as Scrooge-like as a Scrooge is.
I hinted earlier at living on a farm but that's not the whole story. For 10 years from aged 20 I worked for a supermarket company, still trading today, as a district manager for the area from Southend to South London. The company was taken over by another, still trading today and, trust me, they were and still are the most miserly and skinflinty outfit I have ever come across. The management were as brutal with the staff as they were with the suppliers and I attended several board meetings with the owner, a very famous man, and his sons. I have sympathy for those that work in that industry because of the serf treatment that was and is the same today.
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with regard to the seasonal "foreign workers" they are and have been a fact of life for farmers, flower and fruit growers for at least a hundred years and gang masters/workers were/are subject to various Regulations as to how many from where etc. I would think the sudden availability of cheap labour from the EU in recent years had a effect on what growers would grow or expanded the acreage in. Certainly since the end of WW2 there have been seasonal workers, students, school leavers and all sorts treated it as a "different" experience. Its not new and the work shy wont do it for the reasons that have been given. My father went apple picking for his summer holidays for many years- just because it was not his day job. Chris S.
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I used to do fruit picking when I lived in Norfolk for a bit of extra money (mainly strawberries, raspberries, black or red currents). It was hard work and you were paid per-basket, but I found it a nice break from my usual indoor jobs. As I wasn't on benefits or furloughed, it didn't affect anything there, which I suspect is what deters some now.
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