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[wraymond]

Unnecessary Signals are one thing, invalid or additional signals that have one meaning only but are habitually used in other circs are quite another. Can’t really see that gaining the habit of always signalling as described earlier, ie when not strictly necessary, is a bad one or would lead to a lack of observation. The act of signalling in advance would trigger the obs one.

What irks me, and I admit to being guilty of it mainly because it seems to be generally accepted, is flashing headlights to signal ‘Please proceed, I will wait’. Precisely the opposite of what is in the manuals from Highway Code to the police training one.

A secondary invitation to death is what other road users, who may not be aware of what is happening from their position but see only your flash, assume you are allowing them to proceed. And proceed directly into the path of the vehicle to which you have ‘given permission’. Nobody is God but you might at least avoid being the grim reaper.

[HarryM1BYT]

Originally Posted by wraymond

A secondary invitation to death is what other road users, who may not be aware of what is happening from their position but see only your flash, assume you are allowing them to proceed. And proceed directly into the path of the vehicle to which you have ‘given permission’. Nobody is God but you might at least avoid being the grim reaper.

I will admit to using the headlight flash and frequently, but I make sure no other vehicle or person could misinterpret the flash to be for them. To be fair, there is often no other way to let a distant driver know you are giving way to them, where a driver cannot be seen.

[clf]

Originally Posted by Mike Trident

In those circumstances, without signalling your intention, you could be sat waiting for ages because nobody would realise you wanted to join the que.



Slightly off topic, there is another one I personally come across quite a lot.



I retired early, but I do help out at a friend's pizza shop by doing deliveries a few evenings a week. I often park across people's driveways, knowing that I won't be there for longer than a few minutes. The grief and abuse I receive sometimes is unbelievable. People complain that have no intention of actually going in or out of their drive.



I have to point out the rules from the highway code. If you follow it to the letter, basically it says avoid blocking driveways. But it does not say "you must not". So it's not actually law. People's property boundaries are their gate, they do not own the road, or have any more rights to it than me.



Now there's a debate for you lol

I believe there is something about by laws and dropped kerbs, ref blocking. But know nothing of it. But certainly police here can and have ticketed and then removed a car blocking a garage which has a council fitted sign in front saying 'no parking in front of garages'. Causing an obstruction was what I was told.

The driveway for deliveries I wouldn't have a problem with personally, except when the pull in front as you are obviously about to leave. Have had that, but not from a drive, simply outside my house. 'I will only be a minute mate' my back bumper close to his drivers door was my revenge for his inconsideration.

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[victorgte]

Having been a class 1 HGV licence holder for 25 years, I get asked sometimes what is the most frustrating thing people do whilst driving.
Always the same answer. Incorrect use or failing to use indicators.
It’s about changing the culture of driving. Telling drivers not to indicate if there is no one to see it is pure madness. It’s giving drivers an additional judgement to make. Is there traffic or no traffic? Make the wrong judgement and you end up causing or having an accident.
Golden rule. If you intend to turn, change lane or deviate from your path in some way, hit the indicator. Once you get that in your mind, you will always indicate.
Give a driver an excuse not to indicate and they will then stop indicating. Ask any BMW driver.
Seriously, if it is the case that instructors are saying don’t bother, they are causing a new generation to become bad drivers from the outset.
If I challenge drivers they really don’t know what they have done wrong. That’s frightening.

[madeupname]

Originally Posted by clf

Shroedinger's cat anyone?

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Quite deep
The thing is, since I wasn't in the lab at the time Shrodinger conducted this experiment, how can I be sure it actually took place?

[clf]

Originally Posted by madeupname

Quite deep

The thing is, since I wasn't in the lab at the time Shrodinger conducted this experiment, how can I be sure it actually took place?

Indeed, just as we cannot be sure those not indicating cannot be sure they are not, if there is no one around. as they cannot be sure that their not Indicating has not mattered to those they did not see to warrant their indication. .......

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[Mike Trident]

Originally Posted by clf

I believe there is something about by laws and dropped kerbs, ref blocking. But know nothing of it. But certainly police here can and have ticketed and then removed a car blocking a garage which has a council fitted sign in front saying 'no parking in front of garages'. Causing an obstruction was what I was told.

The driveway for deliveries I wouldn't have a problem with personally, except when the pull in front as you are obviously about to leave. Have had that, but not from a drive, simply outside my house. 'I will only be a minute mate' my back bumper close to his drivers door was my revenge for his inconsideration.

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Yes, if it's signed that's a different matter. I am just talking private houses.

[COLVERT]

Originally Posted by RPWC

I was told when I did my PCV course, if there’s someone to tell, tell them, even if it’s a cyclist, pedestrian or a cat!

I've heard tell that is was a Chicken that crossed the road !!!

Dunno why though.---

[marinabrian]

Originally Posted by Mike Trident

Yes, if it's signed that's a different matter. I am just talking private houses.

If you parked across my driveway, you would return to your car to find you were parked between two cars an inch from either bumper.

I was going out about three weeks back, when somebody did just that.....parked across the driveway while I was reversing off the drive, running away with what was obviously a bag of takeaway, shouting I won't be long

He was still there two hours later after I'd returned home, having taken another of the fleet leaving the ZT and the 75 parked bumper to bumper.

It is quite simple, if a driveway is unoccupied, then you may park over it, but I always make a conscious effort to park considerately, so never do so.

Anyway, when it comes to indicating my intentions, I only do so if there are other road users to warn of those intentions, mirror, signal, manoeuvre, not I'm indicating so I'm going to pull out regardless of traffic.

Indicators are not an instruction, merely an indication of what you intend to do, and are often misused, and signalling for the sake of it is not necessary.

Brian

[Sprinter]

So if I indicate and there is no-one there to see it... does it still flash?