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Old 8th July 2020, 06:33   #21
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Last clutch I fitted for anyone other than myself was an LUK Repset Pro (freelander 1 TD4) to a 75 private hire taxi in October 2017.

I flushed out the master, then removed the piston and cleaned the poppet valve and lubed it up with a smear of Renolit red rubber grease on the seals, then bled the master up before connecting it to the slave pipework.

Last time I drove the car was in May this year, when sorting out an ABS issue for the owner, the car has covered circa 170,000 miles since fitting and it still felt nice.

The trick with these is how you thread the pipework through the hole in the bellhousing........it needs to be done without the use of force.

When it comes to mileage, the car has just shy of 500k on the clock, and this is the third clutch since new

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Hi Brian, was this a metal piped slave that you fitted, or plastic?
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Old 8th July 2020, 07:36   #22
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Hi Brian, was this a metal piped slave that you fitted, or plastic?
It was a Freelander metal piped LUK slave, I reshaped the pipe with the quick coupling once it was fitted to the box with a pipe bender as the pipe is about 75mm longer than the Rover one.

At the time, the Freelander TD4 Repset Pro was about 2/3 of the price of a 75 one, and that being the only difference, I thought it a reasonable trade off to spend an extra 5 minutes doing the job


Compare the FL slave pipework here.......



To the Rover version here..........



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Old 8th July 2020, 10:51   #23
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I would suggest a little caution on fitting a Freelander part. A good friend of mine has one and his original clutch failed after many years of use. The replacement LUK master lasted less than a year. The Land Rover specialist who fitted it did a bleed which worked for a few weeks and then replaced the master. The slave failed weeks after. A new clutch fitted under warrantee.

In Just over a year, a few weeks ago actually, the hydraulics failed and he had to fork out again for a complete new clutch. So he's had exactly the same failures in the same ways in the same timescales as we do.
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Old 8th July 2020, 18:08   #24
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I would suggest a little caution on fitting a Freelander part. A good friend of mine has one and his original clutch failed after many years of use. The replacement LUK master lasted less than a year. The Land Rover specialist who fitted it did a bleed which worked for a few weeks and then replaced the master. The slave failed weeks after. A new clutch fitted under warrantee.

In Just over a year, a few weeks ago actually, the hydraulics failed and he had to fork out again for a complete new clutch. So he's had exactly the same failures in the same ways in the same timescales as we do.
It's certainly not the royal "we", I fitted one to my dad's car six years ago and no problems, and that was an LUK FL slave, as was the the one fitted to my old ZT, and the one I fitted to a friend's V6 Tourer, what does that tell you

I really don't understand why people struggle to get this job right, it just takes a little care.

I wouldn't drive any 75 automatic variant asI simply don't like automatics, however the manual car treated with respect is fine.

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Old 8th July 2020, 18:54   #25
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my cdti still has the original clutch and the original slave, with 220,000 km
my congratulations! mine has 238.000 klm, and has been change twice
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It's certainly not the royal "we", I fitted one to my dad's car six years ago and no problems, and that was an LUK FL slave, as was the the one fitted to my old ZT, and the one I fitted to a friend's V6 Tourer, what does that tell you

I really don't understand why people struggle to get this job right, it just takes a little care.

I wouldn't drive any 75 automatic variant asI simply don't like automatics, however the manual car treated with respect is fine.

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I cannot comment on the quality of the labour and procedures done on my mates Land Rover but I can on my ZT-T. The clutch was fitted by Trikey and as you know he does the job properly, so component failure and quality has to be a big consideration in this. It seems to me that like the quality of parts supplied for classic cars is now very poor from many respected suppliers, with owners complaining all the time. Now the same is happening with more modern parts. Modern rubbers are failing in seals, lines, pumps etc. with one manufacturer saying fuel lines only have to last the length of the guarantee. With no vehicle manufacturer to give a guarantee life any more whats the incentive to manufacture a quality part to last.

I had a conversation with a well respected tyre manufacturer who had to compensate me for 4 new Avons failing on my Volvo. They told me it was an issue caused by the compounds that were now less reliable due to EU regulations. They relied on the tyres wearing out before they break down, which in most cases happens, but many do not make the 6 year warranted life due to these issues.

I suspect this reduced quality in rubber materials could have a lot of to do with the failures and the QA in the manufacturing. I have seen ball joint seals for classics fail in less than a year. Last week I was going through some spare parts and found two unused track control ends with the rubber perished still in the boxes. Classic clutch seals failing in 6 months is a common issue in the classic world with very miffed owners desperately seeking information on who can supply quality.

I just see a pattern in the parts supply industry for parts for old cars
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It's certainly not the royal "we", I fitted one to my dad's car six years ago and no problems, and that was an LUK FL slave, as was the the one fitted to my old ZT, and the one I fitted to a friend's V6 Tourer, what does that tell you

I really don't understand why people struggle to get this job right, it just takes a little care.

I wouldn't drive any 75 automatic variant asI simply don't like automatics, however the manual car treated with respect is fine.

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I’m wondering if somehow the Freelander slaves are better quality than the 75 slaves.....

You’ve had success with the Freelander slaves, as have a couple of other people, and also when I asked on a LandRover forum if slave cylinder failure is common, and what slave do they recommend, I got one reply.
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Old 10th July 2020, 06:36   #28
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I’m wondering if somehow the Freelander slaves are better quality than the 75 slaves.....

You’ve had success with the Freelander slaves, as have a couple of other people, and also when I asked on a LandRover forum if slave cylinder failure is common, and what slave do they recommend, I got one reply.
I doubt it, it's the exact same part, albeit with a different input pipe.

Talking of Land Rover forums, if asking about things related to the Freelander, in the main most don't bother answering as the Hippo is seen by many as "not a proper Land Rover" which may explain the lack of responses.

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Old 10th July 2020, 07:44   #29
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Our Hippo TD4 has had two slaves in 160k miles, so pretty much par for the course.
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