Rover 75 Diesel Clutch issues

mor75 · 11th June 2020, 05:08

about 6 months ago i got new clutch kit installed (from rimmerbros part number ZUA001321) which cost me £450 (Paid £600 with 60k on clock) only to find out 6 months down the line i've got clutch issues again... was advised by many people to try replace master first as i already changed for new slave (3,000 on new slave) which was £50 which i did and it was drivable for about 300/400 miles now i can't get pressure in the clutch. it's booked into the clutch centre this morning for a pro bleed then i will know 100% what is the issue

Master cylinder was order from Discount MG Rover spares

if it works out to be the slave again and i've got to spend another £400 getting it fixed with new LUK slave (£100 and £300 labour) which i can't afford and will likely be out of a job as can't make it to work this week, so might be the death of another car as only other option is to scrap or sell parts and strip the car to make some money back that i've lost trying to keep the car on the road

Man Down

mor75 · 11th June 2020, 05:12

ps that was my 75th post on this forum

macafee2 · 11th June 2020, 07:07

If you paid a firm to do the work and they supplied the parts, should they not fix the problem under warranty?

Remove the master cylinder cap and the rubber underneath. Is there fluid in the master cylinder? If there is, how much?

I have known a master cylinder to fail in less then a year.

Are there signs of a fluid leak under the car?

macafee2

RPWC · 11th June 2020, 07:13

Did the master cylinder get replaced when the clutch and slave cylinder were fitted? If so then it should be covered under warranty. £300 labour to change it seems very excessive,I know it’s a p i t a job, but how much are they charging per hour?

Mike Noc · 11th June 2020, 07:16

Need a bit more info to make any sort of diagnosis - have you lost fluid out of the master cylinder reservoir? Is there any evidence of fluid leaking out of the bellhousing, pipes, pipe joints or quick connection?

To test the master cylinder you can release the quick connection and then try pressing the pedal - it should be rock hard.

Sadly it isn't unknown for new slave cyinders to fail prematurely.

marinabrian · 11th June 2020, 08:39

From how I read it, the OP supplied a clutch kit to be fitted by the garage, if so that opens a whole new can of worms.

The parts will be covered by a one year warranty by XPart, and as such labour can be reimbursed at a flat rate of £30 per hour at the RTS book time, once the parts have been returned for a warranty claim.

However XPart is currently closed and their staff furloughed, so a claim may take some time.

The only thing I could suggest is to have the car repaired, and wait until such time as XPart reopen to initiate a claim for labour/parts.

I wouldn't expect the garage to be forthcoming if they didn't supply the parts in the first instance.

Brian

The Rovering Member · 11th June 2020, 08:43

Trikey isn't far from you. Perhaps you could contact him for some help getting back on the road?

mor75 · 11th June 2020, 09:01

Update from Clutch centre is saying the master cylinder is leaking which is a new part from Discount MG Rover parts

macafee2 · 11th June 2020, 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by mor75

Update from Clutch centre is saying the master cylinder is leaking which is a new part from Discount MG Rover parts

that's a relief as that is a much easier and cheaper fix.

macafee2

RobSun · 11th June 2020, 11:12

At least yours failed within the warrantee. These failures are very common and the clutch hydraulics have a history of early failure. Many fail after low usage and 3000 miles is not uncommon. My master fitted with a new clutch and slave by Trikey, who knows what he's doing, failed at 13 months and 3000 miles so no warrantee. That was replaced but then the slave went. I was advised by Big Russ to not bother again fixing it after another 3000 miles the symptoms came back but get rid as it will fail again. He has had many of his customers go through this, one replacing his clutch three times in five years, and says do not buy a manual.

It seems the problem is not one manufacturer but across them all, mine was LUK but I was told buy the specialist who replaced the master that he has seen the failure in all manufacturers including the metal ones and had them fail out of the box on installation.

Down to poor QA on replacement parts and causing the scrapping of many basically good cars that become to costly to keep fixing.

11th June 2020, 05:08	#1
mor75 Avid contributor MG ZT-T (black Pearl) & Orange MG ZT-T Auto (Grove) Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: ipswich Posts: 193 Thanks: 108 Thanked 53 Times in 34 Posts	Rover 75 Diesel Clutch issues Solved about 6 months ago i got new clutch kit installed (from rimmerbros part number ZUA001321) which cost me £450 (Paid £600 with 60k on clock) only to find out 6 months down the line i've got clutch issues again... was advised by many people to try replace master first as i already changed for new slave (3,000 on new slave) which was £50 which i did and it was drivable for about 300/400 miles now i can't get pressure in the clutch. it's booked into the clutch centre this morning for a pro bleed then i will know 100% what is the issue Master cylinder was order from Discount MG Rover spares if it works out to be the slave again and i've got to spend another £400 getting it fixed with new LUK slave (£100 and £300 labour) which i can't afford and will likely be out of a job as can't make it to work this week, so might be the death of another car as only other option is to scrap or sell parts and strip the car to make some money back that i've lost trying to keep the car on the road Man Down Last edited by mor75; 13th June 2020 at 05:47..

11th June 2020, 07:13	#4
RPWC This is my second home 75 model car Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 20,177 Thanks: 4,008 Thanked 5,083 Times in 3,114 Posts	Did the master cylinder get replaced when the clutch and slave cylinder were fitted? If so then it should be covered under warranty. £300 labour to change it seems very excessive,I know it’s a p i t a job, but how much are they charging per hour? __________________ Cheers. Rich…

11th June 2020, 08:43	#7
The Rovering Member I really should get out more....... Rover 75 saloon Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: London Posts: 2,953 Thanks: 263 Thanked 538 Times in 431 Posts	Trikey isn't far from you. Perhaps you could contact him for some help getting back on the road? __________________ Reducing the size of my Rover fleet by adding a 75 to it.

11th June 2020, 05:12	#2
mor75 Avid contributor MG ZT-T (black Pearl) & Orange MG ZT-T Auto (Grove) Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: ipswich Posts: 193 Thanks: 108 Thanked 53 Times in 34 Posts	ps that was my 75th post on this forum

11th June 2020, 07:07	#3
macafee2 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon & Tourer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Lincoln Posts: 14,912 Thanks: 1,630 Thanked 3,032 Times in 2,181 Posts	If you paid a firm to do the work and they supplied the parts, should they not fix the problem under warranty? Remove the master cylinder cap and the rubber underneath. Is there fluid in the master cylinder? If there is, how much? I have known a master cylinder to fail in less then a year. Are there signs of a fluid leak under the car? macafee2

11th June 2020, 07:16	#5
Mike Noc This is my second home Rover 75 CDT Manual Connoisseur SE, Rover 75 CDT Automatic Connoisseur SE & a Freelander Td4. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hampshire Posts: 11,547 Thanks: 3,470 Thanked 3,119 Times in 2,247 Posts	Need a bit more info to make any sort of diagnosis - have you lost fluid out of the master cylinder reservoir? Is there any evidence of fluid leaking out of the bellhousing, pipes, pipe joints or quick connection? To test the master cylinder you can release the quick connection and then try pressing the pedal - it should be rock hard. Sadly it isn't unknown for new slave cyinders to fail prematurely.

11th June 2020, 08:39	#6
marinabrian MG ZT Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne Posts: 20,151 Thanks: 3,565 Thanked 10,837 Times in 5,718 Posts	From how I read it, the OP supplied a clutch kit to be fitted by the garage, if so that opens a whole new can of worms. The parts will be covered by a one year warranty by XPart, and as such labour can be reimbursed at a flat rate of £30 per hour at the RTS book time, once the parts have been returned for a warranty claim. However XPart is currently closed and their staff furloughed, so a claim may take some time. The only thing I could suggest is to have the car repaired, and wait until such time as XPart reopen to initiate a claim for labour/parts. I wouldn't expect the garage to be forthcoming if they didn't supply the parts in the first instance. Brian

11th June 2020, 09:01	#8
mor75 Avid contributor MG ZT-T (black Pearl) & Orange MG ZT-T Auto (Grove) Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: ipswich Posts: 193 Thanks: 108 Thanked 53 Times in 34 Posts	Update from Clutch centre is saying the master cylinder is leaking which is a new part from Discount MG Rover parts

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RobSun Gets stuck in MGZTT Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Bradford Posts: 529 Thanks: 148 Thanked 256 Times in 138 Posts	At least yours failed within the warrantee. These failures are very common and the clutch hydraulics have a history of early failure. Many fail after low usage and 3000 miles is not uncommon. My master fitted with a new clutch and slave by Trikey, who knows what he's doing, failed at 13 months and 3000 miles so no warrantee. That was replaced but then the slave went. I was advised by Big Russ to not bother again fixing it after another 3000 miles the symptoms came back but get rid as it will fail again. He has had many of his customers go through this, one replacing his clutch three times in five years, and says do not buy a manual. It seems the problem is not one manufacturer but across them all, mine was LUK but I was told buy the specialist who replaced the master that he has seen the failure in all manufacturers including the metal ones and had them fail out of the box on installation. Down to poor QA on replacement parts and causing the scrapping of many basically good cars that become to costly to keep fixing.