Be Wary - Virus Is Still There. - Page 79

Saga Lout · 20th May 2021, 15:57

When the vaccines were made, they were made not for many variants but just one kind of the virus, it's being reported that they seem to be effective against the variants but that's just luck. The variants will happen because people in different places have differing levels of immunity to illness, many will never have had a jab for anything, these people are most at risk as there are no basic building blocks in their immune systems against this kind of thing. There's no valid reason for me to have a vaccine on top of my natural immunity just now, if my levels fall to zero which I very much doubt they ever would I will have the vaccine, my immune system right now is full up with antibodies against covid and I'm certain that a variant would encounter my B cells just like the initial virus and be dealt with. The fact is that everyone can still transmit it no matter if they've had the virus or vaccines, we're going to have to start to live again or we're going to be like this for a long time. I took someone for a covid swab before surgery the other day, the person doing the swab and the person being swabbed have both had both jabs, but the virus has won because it can still be passed on and that fear is making people irrational and defensive "you might still have the virus, you can still carry it" was the answer to the hazmat outfit.

SCP440 · 20th May 2021, 16:58

Maybe those that choose not get vaccinated could apply for a Darwin award?
https://darwinawards.com/
Sadly those that dont have the vaccine will still expect to be treated by the NHS and take up bed spaces. Maybe people who choose not to have the vaccine should sign a waver saying they are happy not to have medical treatment for Covid? It might make them think of the consequences a bit more.

kaiser · 20th May 2021, 17:13

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Originally Posted by SCP440

Maybe those that choose not get vaccinated could apply for a Darwin award?
https://darwinawards.com/
Sadly those that dont have the vaccine will still expect to be treated by the NHS and take up bed spaces. Maybe people who choose not to have the vaccine should sign a waver saying they are happy not to have medical treatment for Covid? It might make them think of the consequences a bit more.

Have you got any distinguishing abilities that make you able to sit in judgement of others? If so, please tell!!
If not, why don't you just literally mind your own business and that of the people you are responsible for? and leave others to mind theirs.

It makes for a much better world!

Georgies Dad · 20th May 2021, 17:16

I have just read all the posts on this thread,I did not realize that we had members of the SAGE group amongst us,

Me personally,I think that the virus, or whatever you would like to call it,is not of this world,one day it will all come out in the open.

wraymond · 20th May 2021, 18:32

The holier than thou blind faith is touching but the leap to be judgemental as well about and to sceptical non-believers (for whatever reason) is limiting sensible progress.

To then suggest the prohibition of NHS treatment for non-vaccinated patients is about the limit for me. Smacks of the attempts to pour scorn as seen in media and Gov propaganda. Also smacks as confirmation of earlier thoughts around the limiting of long held freedoms.

Reminds me of 'Methinks he protests too much'.

planenut · 20th May 2021, 19:06

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kaiser · 20th May 2021, 19:53

Maybe time for a link?
https://www.learnenglish.de/pronunci...ationpoem.html
Luckily , not youtube this time~~

COLVERT · 20th May 2021, 20:22

I like the double meaning of some of the words in the previous posts even when there is a meaninglessness about them.-----------------------ie. not relevant to the thread.----

Banter---Personally I love it.

As long as there's no below the belt stuff.--

wraymond · 21st May 2021, 11:17

I confess to a creeping sense of curiosity. In an earlier post the question arose of a non-vaccinated member of an army squad being seen as a risk to his team members by the fact that he was the only one not vaccinated and therefore a danger to the safety of the team.

The obvious question is: who would be in danger of being infected? Certainly not his colleagues, for the simple reason that they have been done. So, he can’t infect anyone in the team, ergo, no risk. But, his team members of course could infect him if what we supposedly know about the vaccine is entirely true.

In that event, where is the weak link? Surely to meet security of mission, only vaccinated members would be allowed on it with non’s seconded elsewhere.

planenut · 21st May 2021, 12:28

Just been speaking with a friend who has family in India. The black market is the only way people can get medical aid or oxygen. Scores have been promised their jabs but not heard of anybody having had one. Many other comments about the poverty and illness.

Once again it hits home how lucky we are living in the United Kingdom.

20th May 2021, 15:57	#781
Saga Lout This is my second home MG ZT and Rover 75, Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Wigan Posts: 3,276 Thanks: 2,556 Thanked 2,685 Times in 1,037 Posts	Yes but. When the vaccines were made, they were made not for many variants but just one kind of the virus, it's being reported that they seem to be effective against the variants but that's just luck. The variants will happen because people in different places have differing levels of immunity to illness, many will never have had a jab for anything, these people are most at risk as there are no basic building blocks in their immune systems against this kind of thing. There's no valid reason for me to have a vaccine on top of my natural immunity just now, if my levels fall to zero which I very much doubt they ever would I will have the vaccine, my immune system right now is full up with antibodies against covid and I'm certain that a variant would encounter my B cells just like the initial virus and be dealt with. The fact is that everyone can still transmit it no matter if they've had the virus or vaccines, we're going to have to start to live again or we're going to be like this for a long time. I took someone for a covid swab before surgery the other day, the person doing the swab and the person being swabbed have both had both jabs, but the virus has won because it can still be passed on and that fear is making people irrational and defensive "you might still have the virus, you can still carry it" was the answer to the hazmat outfit.

20th May 2021, 17:16	#784
Georgies Dad This is my second home Land Rover Join Date: May 2013 Location: Thorpe St Andrew,Norwich Posts: 14,715 Thanks: 933 Thanked 2,925 Times in 1,979 Posts	I have just read all the posts on this thread,I did not realize that we had members of the SAGE group amongst us, Me personally,I think that the virus, or whatever you would like to call it,is not of this world,one day it will all come out in the open. __________________ Steve and Georgie Together Forever Lonely days are long Twilight sings a song All the happiness that used to be Soon my eyes will close Soon I'll find repose And in dreams, you're always near to me I'll see you in my dreams And then I'll hold you in my dreams

20th May 2021, 18:32	#785
wraymond This is my second home 75 Auto 2.5 SE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westcliff on Sea Posts: 5,193 Thanks: 423 Thanked 1,680 Times in 1,014 Posts	The holier than thou blind faith is touching but the leap to be judgemental as well about and to sceptical non-believers (for whatever reason) is limiting sensible progress. To then suggest the prohibition of NHS treatment for non-vaccinated patients is about the limit for me. Smacks of the attempts to pour scorn as seen in media and Gov propaganda. Also smacks as confirmation of earlier thoughts around the limiting of long held freedoms. Reminds me of 'Methinks he protests too much'. __________________ member no. 235 Last edited by wraymond; 20th May 2021 at 18:35..

20th May 2021, 19:53	#787
kaiser This is my second home 75 Tourer 2.5 Auto, 1.8T, 75V8ZT Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Johannesburg ZA Posts: 6,200 Thanks: 1 Thanked 859 Times in 613 Posts	Maybe time for a link? https://www.learnenglish.de/pronunci...ationpoem.html Luckily , not youtube this time~~ __________________ Worth his V8 in gold

21st May 2021, 11:17	#789
wraymond This is my second home 75 Auto 2.5 SE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westcliff on Sea Posts: 5,193 Thanks: 423 Thanked 1,680 Times in 1,014 Posts	I confess to a creeping sense of curiosity. In an earlier post the question arose of a non-vaccinated member of an army squad being seen as a risk to his team members by the fact that he was the only one not vaccinated and therefore a danger to the safety of the team. The obvious question is: who would be in danger of being infected? Certainly not his colleagues, for the simple reason that they have been done. So, he can’t infect anyone in the team, ergo, no risk. But, his team members of course could infect him if what we supposedly know about the vaccine is entirely true. In that event, where is the weak link? Surely to meet security of mission, only vaccinated members would be allowed on it with non’s seconded elsewhere. __________________ member no. 235

20th May 2021, 16:58	#782
SCP440 I really should get out more....... MG ZT-T 260 Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Witney Posts: 2,504 Thanks: 6 Thanked 910 Times in 571 Posts	Maybe those that choose not get vaccinated could apply for a Darwin award? https://darwinawards.com/ Sadly those that dont have the vaccine will still expect to be treated by the NHS and take up bed spaces. Maybe people who choose not to have the vaccine should sign a waver saying they are happy not to have medical treatment for Covid? It might make them think of the consequences a bit more.

20th May 2021, 19:06	#786
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20th May 2021, 20:22	#788
COLVERT This is my second home R75 Saloon. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France/or Devon. Posts: 14,003 Thanks: 3,851 Thanked 2,167 Times in 1,816 Posts	I like the double meaning of some of the words in the previous posts even when there is a meaninglessness about them.-----------------------ie. not relevant to the thread.---- Banter---Personally I love it. As long as there's no below the belt stuff.--

21st May 2021, 12:28	#790
planenut Regional Secretary Rover 1.8T Tourer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Heathrow Posts: 6,955 Thanks: 1,551 Thanked 2,036 Times in 1,264 Posts	Just been speaking with a friend who has family in India. The black market is the only way people can get medical aid or oxygen. Scores have been promised their jabs but not heard of anybody having had one. Many other comments about the poverty and illness. Once again it hits home how lucky we are living in the United Kingdom.