Be Wary - Virus Is Still There. - Page 82

Georgies Dad · 25th May 2021, 14:37

How many illegal immigrants are there in the UK,who dare not come forward for the jab as they have no NHS number,and fear they will be found out and deported if they come forward to have a jab,1,000,s I presume.

planenut · 25th May 2021, 17:19

I received a call from Medical yesterday, asking me to attend a clinic in Hounslow to donate plasma. Yes, I would, but this morning, Hounslow is into Lockdown.

Bolin · 25th May 2021, 17:59

The last thing we need is healthcare being delayed due to completely preventable reasons.

The current backlog of care is at a terrible cost to society in general. Millions and millions are waiting for help.

Bolin · 25th May 2021, 18:01

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Originally Posted by Georgies Dad

How many illegal immigrants are there in the UK,who dare not come forward for the jab as they have no NHS number,and fear they will be found out and deported if they come forward to have a jab,1,000,s I presume.

I believe there is/was an amnesty in relation to the Covid jab for everybody's sake. I remember an announcement about it.

COLVERT · 25th May 2021, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Bolin

I believe there is/was an amnesty in relation to the Covid jab for everybody's sake. I remember an announcement about it.

If there was it would have needed to be announced in rather a lot of different languages as many of those not coming forward might not be reading or even speaking in English.

They might not even feel the need to speak English as television today seems to broadcast in so many foreign languages.--

wizzo337 · 26th May 2021, 01:53

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Originally Posted by Avulon

Once again you descend to name-calling, 16 However I'm not sure whether you are giving sage advice to your reader. Or attempting a clumsy put down. Given your track record I'll have to take it as yet another attempt to insult once again. Meanwhile quoting the most common fallacy of all.

71.6% you say? where did you pull that number from? Did you have specialist Doctor pull it from where the sun doesn't shine perhaps? I'm reminded of this quote "Some people bring joy wherever they go, and some people bring joy whenever they go".

FYI If you actually bothered to read the posts you knee-jerk react to properly. Willow I never denied 'Herd immunity' as an effect. Not even necessarily as a goal. However I just don't put the blind faith in it that you seem to. What I asked you that you are incapable of answering is your understanding of the why's and wherefore's and how attempting to shamem/embarrass/marginalise/bully people into being vaccinated helps that goal. Really if you're going to answer you might first read and comprehend the questions put to you.

To me it seems that everything you grasp for has the ultimately goal of the end of special restrictions so that you can go about your business however you like, ave wherever you like and whenever you like. In that I think it's pretty safe to say that you're not alone. In that maybe we can agree. However the path to that is not and is never at the expense of the personal liberty or freedom of anyone else. But you'd rather be selfish than selfless and you don't really care about others if they're in your way do you.

At last, someone who believes in freedom.
I have not, and will not be experimented on with a vaccine that is still in effect on trial till 2023.
If anyone here wants to spout on about me being selfish for not wanting to fall for the government guilt trip of having the jab to protect others, I say this, I gave up 15 years and 6 years on reserve for your freedom. I have lost friends, none to covid, many to bullets and bombs. I have had friends who have requested medical records only to get records with gulf war one missing, presumably to hide the fact that they were given jabs and tablets that were in trial at the time, and they now suffer debilitating leg cramps and memory loss, which no doctor is willing to attribute to the injections and pills they were given, I was fortunate enough to have been serving in Northern Ireland at the time, so missed out on these meds that were supposed to offer some protection from chemical and biological agents in Iraq.
So I have given plenty for the freedoms that you and I would like to keep.
Throughout the lockdown, I have carried on working, several times being in close proximity to confirmed cases of Covid. I've never caught it and this has been confirmed by blood test as I have no antibodies present. I should have caught it as I have a compromised immune system due to the fact I take meds to suppress my immune system to protect my transplanted kidney. My own kidneys packed in 11 years ago, surely nothing to do with the substances I worked with during my military service, but that I will never be able to find out, due to the fact all my records were destroyed six years after my end of service date.
So upshot is, I like my freedom, I've earned it, I don't want any of these vaccines, I don't need them. Still alive with a 10 year old transplant. It's everyone's own choice, to have or not to have, you're free to decide, don't try to bully or guilt trip others.

wizzo337 · 26th May 2021, 06:08

Overwhelming evidence also says, and this is what the government says.
After the jab.
You can still get it.
You can still spread it.
So what's the point.
My answer is still no and it is bullying and is still guilt tripping.

SCP440 · 26th May 2021, 07:12

In my humble opinion those that choose not to have the vaccine are playing a game of Russian Roulette, yes you have a chance of just getting ill for a few days but there is also the chance that 127,000 others have found of DYING. The last time I checked doctors have not found a cure for that yet but its all down to personal choice at the end of the day.

Personally I like living and hopefully in the not to distant future our lives will start to get back to more what we are used too. Yes the virus will still be out there but with the vaccine it will allow us to start enjoying our lives.

If you want to play Russian Roulette carry on but please can you keep using your face mask, have a sign around your neck saying '' I AM NOT VACCINATED'' and avoid places where you might if you are a carrier infect others.

planenut · 26th May 2021, 08:41

I appreciate the fact that people work, no matter what their vocation, and not all have a choice as to what that is. Some people strive to make things better for others by research or just getting on with it, and some are in a position where they have to make decisions that affect others, based on their knowledge or belief.

I have a choice as to whether I go along with the Official advice, I also have a choice whether I associate with those that don't, if I am aware. I hope that when those that don't are hospitalized and deny those requiring life saving attention by taking up the space and time of the care givers, they look back on their decisions.

Avulon · 26th May 2021, 08:58

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Originally Posted by Avulon

Should I start stitching yellow stars on clothing now?

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Originally Posted by SCP440

If you want to play Russian Roulette carry on but please can you keep using your face mask, have a sign around your neck saying '' I AM NOT VACCINATED'' and avoid places where you might if you are a carrier infect others.

There you go.

25th May 2021, 14:37	#811
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Bolin This is my second home Rover 75 2.5 V6 Connoisseur SE 4dr manual Wedgewood Blue 2 04-05/06/2001 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: N.E. Hampshire Posts: 4,617 Thanks: 289 Thanked 308 Times in 243 Posts	The last thing we need is healthcare being delayed due to completely preventable reasons. The current backlog of care is at a terrible cost to society in general. Millions and millions are waiting for help. __________________ "...the new Rover 75, which is a fabulous car......I think it looks fabulous....It's like sitting in a Rolls Royce......For me, this is the star of the show.....it looks so good" - J. Clarkson, motoring journalist on the launch of the Rover 75 in 1998.

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25th May 2021, 17:19	#812
planenut Regional Secretary Rover 1.8T Tourer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Heathrow Posts: 6,948 Thanks: 1,551 Thanked 2,036 Times in 1,264 Posts	I received a call from Medical yesterday, asking me to attend a clinic in Hounslow to donate plasma. Yes, I would, but this morning, Hounslow is into Lockdown.

26th May 2021, 06:08	#817
wizzo337 Loves to post mg zt Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Ely Posts: 288 Thanks: 55 Thanked 87 Times in 52 Posts	Overwhelming evidence also says, and this is what the government says. After the jab. You can still get it. You can still spread it. So what's the point. My answer is still no and it is bullying and is still guilt tripping.

26th May 2021, 07:12	#818
SCP440 I really should get out more....... MG ZT-T 260 Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Witney Posts: 2,504 Thanks: 6 Thanked 910 Times in 571 Posts	In my humble opinion those that choose not to have the vaccine are playing a game of Russian Roulette, yes you have a chance of just getting ill for a few days but there is also the chance that 127,000 others have found of DYING. The last time I checked doctors have not found a cure for that yet but its all down to personal choice at the end of the day. Personally I like living and hopefully in the not to distant future our lives will start to get back to more what we are used too. Yes the virus will still be out there but with the vaccine it will allow us to start enjoying our lives. If you want to play Russian Roulette carry on but please can you keep using your face mask, have a sign around your neck saying '' I AM NOT VACCINATED'' and avoid places where you might if you are a carrier infect others.

26th May 2021, 08:41	#819
planenut Regional Secretary Rover 1.8T Tourer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Heathrow Posts: 6,948 Thanks: 1,551 Thanked 2,036 Times in 1,264 Posts	I appreciate the fact that people work, no matter what their vocation, and not all have a choice as to what that is. Some people strive to make things better for others by research or just getting on with it, and some are in a position where they have to make decisions that affect others, based on their knowledge or belief. I have a choice as to whether I go along with the Official advice, I also have a choice whether I associate with those that don't, if I am aware. I hope that when those that don't are hospitalized and deny those requiring life saving attention by taking up the space and time of the care givers, they look back on their decisions.