Clutch needs replacing again after 4k miles-please help - Page 7

MSS · 1st May 2019, 13:15

Car last far longer than they did just 20-30 years ago.

I don't feel I can complain about parts such as clutch hydraulics lasting only 100k miles. This is longer than cars used to last!

Comfortably Numb · 2nd May 2019, 19:31

I'm not complaining about parts lasting for 100,000 miles. (If they get there) I am complaining that the manufacturers have cynically (or carelessly) designed what has always been considered a long term service item, - into the car in such a way that many owners, getting the quote for replacement, and comparing it with the residual value of their car, will vote to scrap it, which would not have been the case if they had followed the previous, easy maintenance practice of mounting the hydraulic slave on the outside of the gearbox. And if you make the argument that you are very likely to have to change the thrust bearing anyway, before 100,000 miles, well perhaps they should consider that need when considering the installation of the gearbox. Like MB and Audi, who declared their autoboxes to be no maintenance, sealed for life, so no dipstick or filler plug. As most users would be past the 3 year warranty by 100,000 miles, they wouldn't be responsible anyway, so you don't/can't service it, then you have to scrap it and buy another. And of course, if the replacement parts don't last 1/10th of the mileage of the original, you are again likely to scrap it.

kaiser · 2nd May 2019, 20:03

we have had these discussions a couple of times before. I have had this exact problem with a LUK clutch in a jaguar S-type.
Dual mass clutches are not as reliable as normal clutches, and I would suggest replacing the clutch with a normal after market set up.
I, for one, will never buy a LUK dual mass clutch if there is a credible alternative, ever again in my life!.

And spare me the stories about broken cranks. Please.

Mike Noc · 2nd May 2019, 20:12

The DMFs aren't the problem though - I've got one that has covered 397k miles and is still going strong. If only the hydraulics were anywhere near that reliable, but sadly they aren't.

When the slave cylinder fails and the friction plate (the bit that should wear out!) is as good as new, then it is pretty clear where the weak link is.

From new I had hydraulic failure at just over 80k miles - the majority of it on motorways. Never had any clutch problems at all with any of the other company cars I drove for over twenty years.

MSS · 2nd May 2019, 20:14

Just to balance the views a little, I (and based on previous posts many others) would suggest never to replace a DMF clutch with a normal non-DMF aftermarket one.

The DMF's are very, very reliable and very few have required replacement on 75/ZT cars even though many cars have covered 150k+ miles.

Whilst the DMF does introduce an additional component that can fail, one should always keep in mind the likely failures of other items in the drivetrain if the DMF is not there performing its intended function.

cat · 7th May 2019, 18:55

Hi All,
An update for anyone that's interested.
I have a new clutch, replaced and fitted by the original fitters under the manufacturers warranty that I was told is 24,000 miles, not a lot of miles for a clutch but sure is a lot more than 4k.

I presume that the garage are some sort of authorised fitter of a respectable manufacturer and I'm guessing if I'd gone to a backstreet garage where perhaps a cheap as chips clutch would be fitted I'd be basically stuffed which was actually what I was expecting so I well pleased with the result.

Thanks for suggesting I contact the garage.

Still paranoid about the clutch whilst driving though, never had this with any other vehicle and I don't ride the clutch at all, always straight out of gear and handbrake on, I bet more than 9 out of 10 clutches on a 75/zt don't fail because of the plates anyway.

Cheers.

marinabrian · 7th May 2019, 20:41

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Originally Posted by cat

Hi All,
An update for anyone that's interested.
I have a new clutch, replaced and fitted by the original fitters under the manufacturers warranty that I was told is 24,000 miles, not a lot of miles for a clutch but sure is a lot more than 4k.

I presume that the garage are some sort of authorised fitter of a respectable manufacturer and I'm guessing if I'd gone to a backstreet garage where perhaps a cheap as chips clutch would be fitted I'd be basically stuffed which was actually what I was expecting so I well pleased with the result.

Thanks for suggesting I contact the garage.

Still paranoid about the clutch whilst driving though, never had this with any other vehicle and I don't ride the clutch at all, always straight out of gear and handbrake on, I bet more than 9 out of 10 clutches on a 75/zt don't fail because of the plates anyway.

Cheers.

Now that is what I call a result, and goes to show that the garage cares about both customer satisfaction, and their reputation.

If it were a genuine Rover part fitted, it would have been covered by XPart warranty, which covers not only the components, but the labour charges for fitting at £30 per hour based upon book time allowances in the repair time searcher.

As it was Horner's that were the supplier and fitter in this case, it has every chance to have been a Rover branded clutch fitted, as they are an XPart dealer.

But thanks for letting us know the outcome.

Brian

Comfortably Numb · 8th May 2019, 18:49

Nice to know you have an honest trader for whom reputation is more important than an immediate saving. And as deserved, you have praised their actions to a wider, appreciative audience. Good result.

Mgaz · 9th May 2019, 02:17

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Originally Posted by hogweed

The bearing in the metal slave failed on mine after less than 10,000 miles

Brian reckons some of them come out of the facory with no grease

If this is the case, than can the metal slave bearings not simply be filled with grease before fitting to the car?

Of coarse the answer will probably be that the bearings are not accessible to fill with grease
?

But if they can be greased , this seems to be the only issue regarding the metal slave .

Another option , maybe someone should have a wOrd with the person who makes the metal slave to make sure those bearings are greased up properly in the first place?

Would this not solve our slave cylinder disappointments?

marinabrian · 9th May 2019, 08:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mgaz

If this is the case, than can the metal slave bearings not simply be filled with grease before fitting to the car?

Of coarse the answer will probably be that the bearings are not accessible to fill with grease
?

But if they can be greased , this seems to be the only issue regarding the metal slave .

Another option , maybe someone should have a wOrd with the person who makes the metal slave to make sure those bearings are greased up properly in the first place?

Would this not solve our slave cylinder disappointments?

I pulled a defective metal slave a couple of weeks back where the seals had failed.

I won't use them, they are not a good as the hype would suggest

Brian

2nd May 2019, 20:03	#63
kaiser This is my second home 75 Tourer 2.5 Auto, 1.8T, 75V8ZT Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Johannesburg ZA Posts: 6,200 Thanks: 1 Thanked 859 Times in 613 Posts	we have had these discussions a couple of times before. I have had this exact problem with a LUK clutch in a jaguar S-type. Dual mass clutches are not as reliable as normal clutches, and I would suggest replacing the clutch with a normal after market set up. I, for one, will never buy a LUK dual mass clutch if there is a credible alternative, ever again in my life!. And spare me the stories about broken cranks. Please. __________________ Worth his V8 in gold

7th May 2019, 18:55	#66
cat Avid contributor Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Warrington Posts: 115 Thanks: 76 Thanked 35 Times in 32 Posts	Update Hi All, An update for anyone that's interested. I have a new clutch, replaced and fitted by the original fitters under the manufacturers warranty that I was told is 24,000 miles, not a lot of miles for a clutch but sure is a lot more than 4k. I presume that the garage are some sort of authorised fitter of a respectable manufacturer and I'm guessing if I'd gone to a backstreet garage where perhaps a cheap as chips clutch would be fitted I'd be basically stuffed which was actually what I was expecting so I well pleased with the result. Thanks for suggesting I contact the garage. Still paranoid about the clutch whilst driving though, never had this with any other vehicle and I don't ride the clutch at all, always straight out of gear and handbrake on, I bet more than 9 out of 10 clutches on a 75/zt don't fail because of the plates anyway. Cheers.

1st May 2019, 13:15	#61
MSS This is my second home Rover 75CDT, Jaguar XF-S 3.0V6, V'xhall Omega V6 Estate, Twintop 1.8VVT, Astra Estate and Corsa 1.2 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7,083 Thanks: 283 Thanked 624 Times in 440 Posts	Car last far longer than they did just 20-30 years ago. I don't feel I can complain about parts such as clutch hydraulics lasting only 100k miles. This is longer than cars used to last!

2nd May 2019, 19:31	#62
Comfortably Numb Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Penrith Posts: 1,336 Thanks: 165 Thanked 303 Times in 241 Posts	I'm not complaining about parts lasting for 100,000 miles. (If they get there) I am complaining that the manufacturers have cynically (or carelessly) designed what has always been considered a long term service item, - into the car in such a way that many owners, getting the quote for replacement, and comparing it with the residual value of their car, will vote to scrap it, which would not have been the case if they had followed the previous, easy maintenance practice of mounting the hydraulic slave on the outside of the gearbox. And if you make the argument that you are very likely to have to change the thrust bearing anyway, before 100,000 miles, well perhaps they should consider that need when considering the installation of the gearbox. Like MB and Audi, who declared their autoboxes to be no maintenance, sealed for life, so no dipstick or filler plug. As most users would be past the 3 year warranty by 100,000 miles, they wouldn't be responsible anyway, so you don't/can't service it, then you have to scrap it and buy another. And of course, if the replacement parts don't last 1/10th of the mileage of the original, you are again likely to scrap it.

2nd May 2019, 20:12	#64
Mike Noc This is my second home Rover 75 CDT Manual Connoisseur SE, Rover 75 CDT Automatic Connoisseur SE & a Freelander Td4. Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Hampshire Posts: 11,547 Thanks: 3,470 Thanked 3,119 Times in 2,247 Posts	The DMFs aren't the problem though - I've got one that has covered 397k miles and is still going strong. If only the hydraulics were anywhere near that reliable, but sadly they aren't. When the slave cylinder fails and the friction plate (the bit that should wear out!) is as good as new, then it is pretty clear where the weak link is. From new I had hydraulic failure at just over 80k miles - the majority of it on motorways. Never had any clutch problems at all with any of the other company cars I drove for over twenty years.

2nd May 2019, 20:14	#65
MSS This is my second home Rover 75CDT, Jaguar XF-S 3.0V6, V'xhall Omega V6 Estate, Twintop 1.8VVT, Astra Estate and Corsa 1.2 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7,083 Thanks: 283 Thanked 624 Times in 440 Posts	Just to balance the views a little, I (and based on previous posts many others) would suggest never to replace a DMF clutch with a normal non-DMF aftermarket one. The DMF's are very, very reliable and very few have required replacement on 75/ZT cars even though many cars have covered 150k+ miles. Whilst the DMF does introduce an additional component that can fail, one should always keep in mind the likely failures of other items in the drivetrain if the DMF is not there performing its intended function.

8th May 2019, 18:49	#68
Comfortably Numb Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Penrith Posts: 1,336 Thanks: 165 Thanked 303 Times in 241 Posts	Nice to know you have an honest trader for whom reputation is more important than an immediate saving. And as deserved, you have praised their actions to a wider, appreciative audience. Good result.