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Old 3rd December 2018, 20:23   #1
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Do the 190 ZT brakes/pads need metal spring clips where the tabs on the pads slide in the caliper, or is there just the outer metal spring clip in the whole standard assembly?

Maybe I am thinking of the older ZS 180 where the pads also sat in right angled spring steel clips which inserted into the carrier.....
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Old 7th December 2018, 00:03   #2
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Do the 190 ZT brakes/pads need metal spring clips where the tabs on the pads slide in the caliper, or is there just the outer metal spring clip in the whole standard assembly?

Maybe I am thinking of the older ZS 180 where the pads also sat in right angled spring steel clips which inserted into the carrier.....
You are thinking of the much higher quality Lucas brakes, the gash ATE items fitted to the R40 has no such refinement, cheap and nasty

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Old 7th December 2018, 00:09   #3
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Cheers Brian, cheap and nasty it sure is.

I'll lube them up more than a Thai prostitute.
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Do the 190 ZT brakes/pads need metal spring clips where the tabs on the pads slide in the caliper, or is there just the outer metal spring clip in the whole standard assembly?

Maybe I am thinking of the older ZS 180 where the pads also sat in right angled spring steel clips which inserted into the carrier.....
Having worked on ZT190 and lower spec ZT Front Calipers recently, I saw there are two completely different pattern spring clips used on these cars.

First the ZT 190 Front Calipers which used Springs of flat sheet metal construction





Now those Calipers fitted to the rest of the 75/ZT range [ except V8s I believe ] have springs fashioned from steel rods :~



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Recently cleaned up a pair of Rover 620ti Front Brake Calipers. They are fitted with Stainless Steel Springs and Stainless Steel Shims for the Pad Lugs to locate in. I took a few images as I worked. This one shows the Stainless Steel Springs for the Pads:


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By the way, on a recent visit to my local scrapyard, a wide range of BMWs there some with Alloy Wheels taken. The wheels are very popular with the Eastern Europeans who are often there in numbers. I helped one remove the full leather seats from a BMW... they hardly looked used at all ... really like new.

Whilst there, I checked some of the BMW Brake Calipers. Easy to do with the wheels mostly removed. Those I looked at all had the flat steel style clips similar to those fitted to ZT190s. Which have BMW etched onto them also.
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Whilst there, I checked some of the BMW Brake Calipers. Easy to do with the wheels mostly removed. Those I looked at all had the flat steel style clips similar to those fitted to ZT190s. Which have BMW etched onto them also.
they are used in some BMWs (carriers are different though) 330, Z4 stick in my head. Likewise repair kits list BMW models too.

The front clips are the same design on the rear but smaller too. I never understood how they stop rattle or movement. They dont seem to put tension on anything (EDIT see it now! )
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On more than one occasion here and elsewhere I have mentioned that on every MG ZT I have driven or been in, I have been disappointed with the way the brakes behave. Sure they stop the cars as designed to do but lack that certain something I prefer with car brakes. Both my MG ZS and Rover 620ti have brakes which do have those qualities I prefer. Those on the ZS especially are excellent. Although not driven it for ages, the brakes on my MG Montego Turbo have that quality I prefer.

However, the last MG ZT-T I bought ( since sold ) DID have braking characteristics close to those I prefer. Giving its brakes some TLC as I usually do to most used cars I buy, I saw the previous owner had fitted MINTEX Pads. So when I upgraded my ZT-Ts with ZT190 spec front calipers, I also fitted MINTEX Pads specifically for the ZT190 ... The Mintex Pad boxes also included the BMW models those same pads fit! My two ZT-T Daily drivers ( one on SORN saving VED ) both now have brakes which I prefer and suit my driving style.
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