KV6 teenage timing belt exposed at last! - Page 4

SD1too · 17th April 2018, 11:30

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Originally Posted by GordyB

I haven't read previous threads ..

Here is the provocation from Brian posted just three days ago. I hope that you, tommy15 and Simondi will take the trouble to look at it.

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Originally Posted by Doc Evil

... Belt manufacturers specify belt replacement at a designated interval being both mileage and time dependent ..

Al; post no. 3 includes a link to a Gates document alleged to prove your point in respect of passage of time. See if you can find any reference to that.

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Originally Posted by roverbarmy

I like timing chains!

So do I Mike!

Changing the timing belt on my 4 cylinder 8 valve C3 wasn't a big deal but the amount and difficulty of the dismantling required for the Rover V6 is quite frankly ludicrous!

Simon

Simondi · 17th April 2018, 11:50

I've looked at it and I think it's a shame that it all reads like being in a playground.

As to the questions raised I have no mechanical or technical skills or knowledge so cannot enter into the discussion with anything other than my own thoughts. My thoughts though is that i will look to have the belts on my 190 replaced roughly every 5 years. My choice but speaking as the guy who always gets the parking ticket,.never wins the raffle and always looses a bet I'm not going to risk it

Les4048 · 17th April 2018, 11:59

[QUOTE=SD1too;2620320]Here is the provocation from Brian posted just three days ago. I hope that you, tommy15 and Simondi will take the trouble to look at it.

That’s not provocation it’s a sensible reply. Two of the most respected people on here, Brian and Andy are giving you the benefit of their years of experience and you’re sitting asking for proof of their statements when nearly everyone agrees that the service schedule should be adhered to. Others have stated that rubber deteriorates over time and still you argue your belts are fine so why not refit the covers and run it to destruction

mbonwick · 17th April 2018, 12:06

Is a degree in Materials Engineering (which did specifically look at timing belts as a case study) qualification enough to have an opinion Simon?

For what it's worth I sit firmly within the "replacement at recommended mileage/time interval" camp.

Avulon · 17th April 2018, 12:14

So, are you leaving the belts alone then, seeing as they're ok ? How many more miles do you think they'll do?

Dorset Bob · 17th April 2018, 16:30

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Originally Posted by SD1too

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Anyone with any intelligence would agree. I do change my engine oil on a mileage basis. Oil does not degrade with the passage of time.

You really have been brainwashed by the industry you worked in haven’t you.

Simon

At least Simon is consistent.
Apparently oil, like belts, does not degrade over time either!

mh007 · 17th April 2018, 16:51

For goodness sake, what has this thread turned into?

This has got ridiculous!!

neilll · 17th April 2018, 16:54

Having not met either Simon or Brian (no axe to grind) and being electrically trained (now multi-skilled

)I was taught that when you could see the teeth marks on the opposite side (never heard of zebra marking before) that it was time to change the belt! Simon change your belt sharpish.
Neil
p.s.
I respect the pair of you and like reading all your posts, just try not to get too personal with each other.

SD1too · 17th April 2018, 18:07

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Originally Posted by Avulon

... are you leaving the belts alone then, seeing as they're ok ?

No, I'm changing them according to MG Rover's mileage recommendation.

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Originally Posted by Dorset Bob

Apparently oil, like belts, does not degrade over time either!

I should have qualified my statement Bob as you may have got the wrong impression. I change my oil somewhere between 3 and 6,000 miles depending upon useage. I don't change it simply because time has elapsed because it's the rate of contamination which matters to me and that happens only when the engine is running. That's just my personal preference.

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Originally Posted by neilll

I was taught that when you could see the teeth marks on the opposite side (never heard of zebra marking before) that it was time to change the belt! Simon change your belt sharpish.

Neil, see an earlier post which describes a belt with these markings which was less than six years old. If that needed changing "sharpish" then why didn't my belt break during the last 13 years?

Simon

championdaddy · 17th April 2018, 21:27

Oh joys.................. another public slanging match thread..........

Just what this club needs.

Come on gents............just agree to disagree and go have a beer.........

Obviously it won't be together though eh !

17th April 2018, 11:50	#32
Simondi Regional Secretary MGTF, MG ZS EV Exclusive Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Kilwinning Posts: 14,046 Thanks: 1,460 Thanked 3,563 Times in 1,857 Posts	I've looked at it and I think it's a shame that it all reads like being in a playground. As to the questions raised I have no mechanical or technical skills or knowledge so cannot enter into the discussion with anything other than my own thoughts. My thoughts though is that i will look to have the belts on my 190 replaced roughly every 5 years. My choice but speaking as the guy who always gets the parking ticket,.never wins the raffle and always looses a bet I'm not going to risk it __________________ Simondi FAQ How do you do that? Club Flyers Looking for a car seen in a film or on TV? Fancy a change in colour or wheels - paint configurator OBD - Trip Meter Ultimate Buyers Guide Post YouTube videos

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17th April 2018, 11:59	#33
Les4048 This is my second home Rover 75 Tourer/ MG ZT-T 400 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Lhanbryde Posts: 3,277 Thanks: 2,627 Thanked 1,523 Times in 869 Posts	[QUOTE=SD1too;2620320]Here is the provocation from Brian posted just three days ago. I hope that you, tommy15 and Simondi will take the trouble to look at it. That’s not provocation it’s a sensible reply. Two of the most respected people on here, Brian and Andy are giving you the benefit of their years of experience and you’re sitting asking for proof of their statements when nearly everyone agrees that the service schedule should be adhered to. Others have stated that rubber deteriorates over time and still you argue your belts are fine so why not refit the covers and run it to destruction

17th April 2018, 12:06	#34
mbonwick Gets stuck in Connoisseur SE 1.8 Auto Saloon Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Kendal Posts: 633 Thanks: 129 Thanked 176 Times in 147 Posts	Is a degree in Materials Engineering (which did specifically look at timing belts as a case study) qualification enough to have an opinion Simon? For what it's worth I sit firmly within the "replacement at recommended mileage/time interval" camp.

17th April 2018, 16:51	#37
mh007 This is my second home MG ZT260 SE, MG ZT190+, MG ZTT 160, R75 Conn SE 2.0, R75 Conn SE 2.5 X 3, R75 Club SE 1.8, P5B Coupe Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Keynsham, Bristol Posts: 4,211 Thanks: 65 Thanked 635 Times in 499 Posts	For goodness sake, what has this thread turned into? This has got ridiculous!!

17th April 2018, 21:27	#40
championdaddy This is my second home Mg Zt 190 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The FIRST Garden City....Letchworth. Posts: 6,778 Thanks: 1,243 Thanked 920 Times in 698 Posts	Oh joys.................. another public slanging match thread.......... Just what this club needs. Come on gents............just agree to disagree and go have a beer......... Obviously it won't be together though eh !