Normal FBH behavior ? - Page 2

steady eddie · 3rd January 2021, 13:15

Hi' check to see if the crankshaft oil seal is leaking behind the pulley as the seal can get damaged by the broken belt, it did on my car.

Devilish · 3rd January 2021, 21:59

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Originally Posted by Leo31

The power steering fluid level looks normal to me (didn't lose that much), still between the min and max.

I agree with Arctic, looks like PSF to me.

I Reckon the belt has more than likely damaged the hose, or a hose coupling, and the PSF has been flicked around. It may well only leak under pressure. Pay attention to cleaning the PSF hoses completely, including the couplings.

I do not use a jet wash in the engine bay to wash of engine cleaner, I use one of these and hot water.

Arctic · 3rd January 2021, 23:26

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Originally Posted by Devilish

I agree with Arctic, looks like PSF to me.

I Reckon the belt has more than likely damaged the hose, or a hose coupling, and the PSF has been flicked around. It may well only leak under pressure. Pay attention to cleaning the PSF hoses completely, including the couplings.

I do not use a jet wash in the engine bay to wash of engine cleaner, I use one of these and hot water.

What is the best call

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COLVERT · 4th January 2021, 04:56

Put a plastic bag over the alternator. Make sure it's well covered.--There is very little else you can damage with water in that area.

Remember to remove it when you start up and look for leaks.

PS. Your English is brilliant and better than half of those members who post on here.---Very few even proof read their own posts.---

I live in the 79.

COLVERT.

Arctic · 4th January 2021, 10:04

Also check the A/C pipe as not rubbed through tie it back if it is chaffing.

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check the power steering hose near to the pulley it can chaff and rub a tiny hole in it, then it will spurt fluid upwards.

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Leo31 · 4th January 2021, 13:21

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Originally Posted by steady eddie

Hi' check to see if the crankshaft oil seal is leaking behind the pulley as the seal can get damaged by the broken belt, it did on my car.

Hi, it's pretty tight in there but there's oil on the right side, at the back of the pulley.

I don't know if it's leaking from there or it is oil splashes (from the belt?) while the engine is running ...
When I bought the car (before the aux belt snapped/broke), there was oil at the same location.

The mechanic who changed the belt right after it broke, told me the area was "oily/greasy" but he didn't find any leaks, he cleaned the area.

Five months later, this area is again "oily"

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Originally Posted by Devilish

I agree with Arctic, looks like PSF to me.

I Reckon the belt has more than likely damaged the hose, or a hose coupling, and the PSF has been flicked around. It may well only leak under pressure. Pay attention to cleaning the PSF hoses completely, including the couplings.

OK I'll make sure to clean everything before taking the 75 for a ride today.

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Originally Posted by COLVERT

Put a plastic bag over the alternator. Make sure it's well covered.--There is very little else you can damage with water in that area.

Remember to remove it when you start up and look for leaks.

PS. Your English is brilliant and better than half of those members who post on here.---Very few even proof read their own posts.---

I live in the 79.

COLVERT.

Thanks I really appreciate ! Would you recommend me to wash the engine bay with a jet wash (with alternator and aux belt covered by plastic bags) ? I guess I'll have to wait a few minutes before starting up the engine ?

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Originally Posted by Arctic

Also check the A/C pipe as not rubbed through tie it back if it is chaffing.

check the power steering hose near to the pulley it can chaff and rub a tiny hole in it, then it will spurt fluid upwards.

Thank you for the photos ! I'll take a look at pipes and hoses

Nice idea to use cable ties !

Thank you everyone, I'll keep you posted !

bendrick · 4th January 2021, 16:10

BTW back on the original FBH topic. Mine sounds like a jet engine as well, I like to think that it annoys the neighbours on a cold morning who I don't get on with.

But when I bought the car and put the FBH on the next day ( the seller had disconnected the FBH plug claiming that the noise of the FBH scared his wife but that it was in perfect working condition!) I was alarmed to discover massive clouds of white smoke being emitted each time I switched it on, so much in fact that I'm surprised passers by hadn't called the fire brigade.

I know it probably isn't an option for yourself but I took the car up to the Midlands where FBH experts Trebor and Devilsh stripped it out and declared the burner to be the most coked up one they had ever seen. Even after replacing with one of their refurbed burners we still had loads of white smoke coming out of the FBH exhaust pipe which was also full of coke deposits and soot

So we changed the exhaust with one they had and all has been well since, two and a half years later.

So you may need to service your FBH burner and possibly clean your FBH exhaust pipe. There are comprehensive 'How to's' on this site including the materials and parts you will need.

If the white smoke is minimal you may get away with it for a while but it sounds to me as if it possibly is in need of a strip down and service.

Leo31 · 4th January 2021, 16:48

UPDATE :

I checked the hoses and pipes, and there was one touching the alternator

So I used a tie plastic cable as you did to !

While I was filming the pipes and hoses, looking for any leaks right after the engine startup, I smelled something burning and then I noticed smoke coming out of engine bay .....

I looked under the car to check the FBH exhaust, no visible smoke was coming out whereas on the video we can hear the FBH working.

There was a pipe touching the FBH exhaust, the pipe was burning

I used cable ties to prevent the hose from touching the exhaust (temporary fix).

FULL VIDEO : https://youtu.be/mldX84dlTMk
The moment I figured it out : https://youtu.be/mldX84dlTMk?t=283

2021 is already off to a good start

bendrick · 4th January 2021, 19:31

Yup that pipe is very close.

I used one of those asbestos substitute mats that plumbers and Gas fitters use to protect surrounding woodwork and stuff when using their blowlamp in a tight corner and used a couple of cable clips to secure it after wrapping it round the exhaust after also securing the larger silicone / rubber hose just to be on the safe side.

The blow lamp protection mats are quite flat/ thinnish and are probably around a foot square and are only a couple of quid in a plumbers or central heating suppliers

COLVERT · 4th January 2021, 20:15

Never jet wash in the engine bay. --That's just asking for trouble.--

--( Long handled brush with engine cleaner, carefully rinsed off afterwards. )

I've used lumps of foam between all those rubber pipes and metal edgings from the time I bought the car --13 years ago. It has worked perfectly for all that time. ( plus the cable tie on the air-con pipes. )

Cabin heater exhaust excepted.

COLVERT.

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COLVERT This is my second home R75 Saloon. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France/or Devon. Posts: 14,003 Thanks: 3,851 Thanked 2,167 Times in 1,816 Posts	Never jet wash in the engine bay. --That's just asking for trouble.----( Long handled brush with engine cleaner, carefully rinsed off afterwards. ) I've used lumps of foam between all those rubber pipes and metal edgings from the time I bought the car --13 years ago. It has worked perfectly for all that time. ( plus the cable tie on the air-con pipes. ) Cabin heater exhaust excepted. COLVERT.

3rd January 2021, 13:15	#11
steady eddie Loves to post rover 75 tourer / bmw e90 320d Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Swindon Posts: 255 Thanks: 256 Thanked 48 Times in 24 Posts	Hi' check to see if the crankshaft oil seal is leaking behind the pulley as the seal can get damaged by the broken belt, it did on my car.

4th January 2021, 04:56	#14
COLVERT This is my second home R75 Saloon. Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: France/or Devon. Posts: 14,003 Thanks: 3,851 Thanked 2,167 Times in 1,816 Posts	Put a plastic bag over the alternator. Make sure it's well covered.--There is very little else you can damage with water in that area. Remember to remove it when you start up and look for leaks. PS. Your English is brilliant and better than half of those members who post on here.---Very few even proof read their own posts.--- I live in the 79. COLVERT.

4th January 2021, 16:10	#17
bendrick Gets stuck in Ex CDT Auto Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Barry Posts: 655 Thanks: 76 Thanked 266 Times in 155 Posts	BTW back on the original FBH topic. Mine sounds like a jet engine as well, I like to think that it annoys the neighbours on a cold morning who I don't get on with. But when I bought the car and put the FBH on the next day ( the seller had disconnected the FBH plug claiming that the noise of the FBH scared his wife but that it was in perfect working condition!) I was alarmed to discover massive clouds of white smoke being emitted each time I switched it on, so much in fact that I'm surprised passers by hadn't called the fire brigade. I know it probably isn't an option for yourself but I took the car up to the Midlands where FBH experts Trebor and Devilsh stripped it out and declared the burner to be the most coked up one they had ever seen. Even after replacing with one of their refurbed burners we still had loads of white smoke coming out of the FBH exhaust pipe which was also full of coke deposits and soot So we changed the exhaust with one they had and all has been well since, two and a half years later. So you may need to service your FBH burner and possibly clean your FBH exhaust pipe. There are comprehensive 'How to's' on this site including the materials and parts you will need. If the white smoke is minimal you may get away with it for a while but it sounds to me as if it possibly is in need of a strip down and service.

4th January 2021, 16:48	#18
Leo31 Newbie Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: May 2020 Location: Toulouse Posts: 22 Thanks: 10 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	UPDATE : I checked the hoses and pipes, and there was one touching the alternator So I used a tie plastic cable as you did to ! While I was filming the pipes and hoses, looking for any leaks right after the engine startup, I smelled something burning and then I noticed smoke coming out of engine bay ..... I looked under the car to check the FBH exhaust, no visible smoke was coming out whereas on the video we can hear the FBH working. There was a pipe touching the FBH exhaust, the pipe was burning I used cable ties to prevent the hose from touching the exhaust (temporary fix). FULL VIDEO : https://youtu.be/mldX84dlTMk The moment I figured it out : https://youtu.be/mldX84dlTMk?t=283 2021 is already off to a good start

4th January 2021, 19:31	#19
bendrick Gets stuck in Ex CDT Auto Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Barry Posts: 655 Thanks: 76 Thanked 266 Times in 155 Posts	Yup that pipe is very close. I used one of those asbestos substitute mats that plumbers and Gas fitters use to protect surrounding woodwork and stuff when using their blowlamp in a tight corner and used a couple of cable clips to secure it after wrapping it round the exhaust after also securing the larger silicone / rubber hose just to be on the safe side. The blow lamp protection mats are quite flat/ thinnish and are probably around a foot square and are only a couple of quid in a plumbers or central heating suppliers