Only used suitable qualified engineers

[macafee2]

The reason you should only use suitable qualified engineers is so that when you go into the loft and see their plumbing, you can see every bend and every joint.
If you were to use some dodgy DIY'er you would not be able to see every bend and every joint because they would have insulated the pipes

Not one pipe in the loft of my daughters house is insulated.
ye gods and little fishes

I hope you have noted the post is sarcasm

macafee2

[solarsailor]

Originally Posted by macafee2

....I hope you have noted the post is sarcasm.....

Can't say I noticed. Hope they forgot to insulate the loft too, so the heat from the house can get up there to stop the pipes from freezing.

[mbev51]

My friend had a wood stove installed by a fully qualified person, recommended by a heating retailing outlet. About a year later she had a serious fire from her chimney that left a little longer would have taken the house out. I’ve installed three with correctly fitted double skinned chimney liners, which continue to work without an issue.

[stevestrat]

Years ago we lived in a house with a gas fire in the lounge. My mother was getting crippling migraines and generally feeling unwell. Discovered it was mild carbon monoxide poisoning, the flue at the rear of the gas fire wasn't connected, there was a section missing, about a 12" gap. Didn't affect my father and me as we were out of the house most of the time, him working, me being at school etc.

[COLVERT]

Originally Posted by mbev51

My friend had a wood stove installed by a fully qualified person, recommended by a heating retailing outlet. About a year later she had a serious fire from her chimney that left a little longer would have taken the house out. I’ve installed three with correctly fitted double skinned chimney liners, which continue to work without an issue.

Liners are the best bet and I've installed several.

Was the fire the installers fault ??--If it was an old house the chimney should have been cleaned. If not, then the new fire, after a years use could have been the cause of the fire.---

[COLVERT]

Originally Posted by stevestrat

Years ago we lived in a house with a gas fire in the lounge. My mother was getting crippling migraines and generally feeling unwell. Discovered it was mild carbon monoxide poisoning, the flue at the rear of the gas fire wasn't connected, there was a section missing, about a 12" gap. Didn't affect my father and me as we were out of the house most of the time, him working, me being at school etc.

Carbon monoxide sensors are cheap and should always be installed with gas heating.---The trouble is the gas is odorless and invisible. People can go to bed and never wake up again.

[edwardmk]

Originally Posted by stevestrat

Years ago we lived in a house with a gas fire in the lounge. My mother was getting crippling migraines and generally feeling unwell. Discovered it was mild carbon monoxide poisoning, the flue at the rear of the gas fire wasn't connected, there was a section missing, about a 12" gap. Didn't affect my father and me as we were out of the house most of the time, him working, me being at school etc.

That is truly terrifying. Something like that is nowadays classed a 'never event' which is what pilots and surgeons try to avoid by having checklists. It was a pilot who pushed for checklists to become used in operating rooms after his young wife died. He wrote a book after the tragedy. I think it was called 'Just a routine operation'. I hope modern gas fitters use checklists, and anyone with a gas appliance should absolutely have a working CO alarm. CO is odourless and deadly and has claimed many lives prematurely. I personally knew a student from a wealthy family, lovely vibrant chap, who died in cheap student accommodation because of a faulty gas appliance.

[edwardmk]

Originally Posted by macafee2

The reason you should only use suitable qualified engineers is so that when you go into the loft and see their plumbing, you can see every bend and every joint.
If you were to use some dodgy DIY'er you would not be able to see every bend and every joint because they would have insulated the pipes

Not one pipe in the loft of my daughters house is insulated.
ye gods and little fishes

I hope you have noted the post is sarcasm

macafee2

Regardless of how many degrees and qualifications you have, you're only as good as your last job. Unacceptable for any professional to slip like that.

[roverbarmy]

Originally Posted by edwardmk

Regardless of how many degrees and qualifications you have, you're only as good as your last job. Unacceptable for any professional to slip like that.

The "professional" that serviced my last boiler put the retaining clips to the insulator blocks in the wrong way round. The insulator fell onto the burner, diverted the flame up the front of the unit and distorted the baffles in the process. The boiler was scrap so had to be replaced. I refused to pay and I suggested that I should contact the gas safety council. My boiler was replaced free of charge by the company!!!

[stevestrat]

Originally Posted by COLVERT

Carbon monoxide sensors are cheap and should always be installed with gas heating.---The trouble is the gas is odorless and invisible. People can go to bed and never wake up again.

Originally Posted by edwardmk

That is truly terrifying. Something like that is nowadays classed a 'never event' which is what pilots and surgeons try to avoid by having checklists. It was a pilot who pushed for checklists to become used in operating rooms after his young wife died. He wrote a book after the tragedy. I think it was called 'Just a routine operation'. I hope modern gas fitters use checklists, and anyone with a gas appliance should absolutely have a working CO alarm. CO is odourless and deadly and has claimed many lives prematurely. I personally knew a student from a wealthy family, lovely vibrant chap, who died in cheap student accommodation because of a faulty gas appliance.

The "incident" I'm talking about was way back in the early '70s before alarms etc were standard.