Your inner arches

Rich · 19th February 2007, 17:30

Just out of sheer curiosity, are your (260 owners) front inner wheel arches the same as mine or have they been altered to shoehorn the V8 in?

Ta

Tim · 19th February 2007, 18:04

The same-ish. I have light bulb doors on the 75 which I don't have on the 260. But the 260 has Xenon lights

Rich · 19th February 2007, 19:11

No sorry I didn't mean the wheel arch plastic liner things, I meant the steel inner wing?

bigsteve · 19th February 2007, 19:38

As far as I know the only shell differences between a FWD 75/ZT and the V8 version is the front 2 feet of the transmission was cut out after after the car came down the standard production line and was replaced with a larger one and the rear boot floor was cut out above the diff unit and a different spare wheel panel was fitted to clear the RWD diff. Apart from different subframes and a diff etc and trim options the only other major difference was the wiring loom. front brakes are bigger but seem to be fitted to a FWD hub with the drive shaft hole blanked off, UNLESS YOU KNOW DIFFERENT !!!!!

Steve F owner of 1 3/4 V8':SHOCKED: s

Countach · 19th February 2007, 22:16

Does that mean you could modify a Fwd ZT into a RWD ZT without **too much** hassle?
Gosh, then I could get a the V8 tourer in spec I desire!

according to the PPC article, the reason the quadcam V8 wasn't used was because that would've ment changing the wheel arches...

Womble · 20th February 2007, 06:32

I'm afraid it's not quite that easy!

Whilst the 260 looks externally pretty much identical to the other ZTs, there are far more differences than you would ever imagine...

1. Pretty much every single suspension component is different.

2. Whilst the front brakes are the same as the 190, the calipers are in a different position. The rear brakes are completely different, and larger than the fronts.

3. The steering rack is different (shorter ratio).

4. The transmission tunnel is wider in order to accomodate the larger gearbox, which is why we have no ashtray and different floor mats.

5. It is correct that they couldn't fit the 32v engine in without having to cut away too much of the shell. I'd heard bulkhead, but it could well also be wheel arches. Having said that, you couldn't fit the 16v engine to an existing FWD car without also stripping out the existing aircon system and replacing it with the 260s less effective but also much smaller system.

I'm sure you could get someone more knowledgeable to give you the next 75 things you'd have to change! One point of interest is that it would be easier for you to convert an auto car into a 75 V8, as the gearbox in that car is smaller than the Tremec box in the 260, so you wouldn't have to worry about losing the ashtray.

bigsteve · 21st February 2007, 09:30

Sorry we were only talking about inner arches and shell differences, it looks like the thread has expanded to the car.

So the differences are
front subframe, hubs, brakes are bigger i think,, anti roll bar, rack, engine !, gearbox, washer bottle, air filter etc, exhaust, rear subframe and everything on it although it bolts to the original body mountings as does the front subframe. electrics are very different on the engine side. SE spec is much higher than non-se but is done using the same bits as the rest of range.
the front centre consol is shorter because of the bigger tunnel so no ash tray is fitted, why did they not modifiy the right hand cup holder thats blanked off into a ashtray, I dont care as I am a non smoker. Battery is also moved to boot along with cd player and sat nav if fitted.
extra bracket bolted to rear of the car to hold silencer on the other side. different carpet fitted i think due to bigger transmission tunnel.
theres not much that different, if you change the whole of front and rear subframes complete with all the compents fitted to them, I know as I am reshelling a V8 now.
The quad cam engine will not fit with out cutting back the front surspension turrets as the heads are much wider you still may not get enough clearance:bowdown, but they could of put the 3 valve motor in, but it may of cost more to get from Ford

Wanted a TV ampifier that fit inside by the rear window, interior light lens, pair of electric and heated SE front seats, covers unimportant as will be recovered., rear boot floor tray for a V8

I am selling some bits on ebay now

Steve F

Scarlet Fever · 21st February 2007, 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigsteve

rear subframe and everything on it although it bolts to the original body mountings

Kind of, there are additional shock mounts either side of the rear diff too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigsteve

no ash tray is fitted, why did they not modifiy the right hand cup holder thats blanked off into a ashtray, I dont care as I am a non smoker.

Could have been done easily i reckon, a pop out tray would work well. Got the LHD cupholder fitted to mine (as i have the phone bracket fitted in place of the RHD cupholder the car came with).

Tim · 21st February 2007, 16:34

Don't forget the rear central airvent is missing, half the wheel well takes the diff housing, and the cold adjust dial on the centre of the dash is missing. Smaller heater unit, completely different air con units. Different drive angles on the rear wheels.

bigsteve · 22nd February 2007, 18:10

Attachment 606

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Just a few pictures just case you can see any other differances on the V8 version, doner car and new shell

cheers

Steve

19th February 2007, 17:30	#1
Rich Posted a thing or two http://Roadca.ms - Letting you see what they see! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Yup Posts: 1,786 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 1 Post	Your inner arches Just out of sheer curiosity, are your (260 owners) front inner wheel arches the same as mine or have they been altered to shoehorn the V8 in? Ta __________________ https://VehicleGPS.UK http://www.MotorwayCameras.co.uk

19th February 2007, 18:04	#2
Tim Feel the size of my Quads MG ZT 440SE, MG HS PHEV & MG3 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Addlestone Posts: 1,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 128 Times in 85 Posts	The same-ish. I have light bulb doors on the 75 which I don't have on the 260. But the 260 has Xenon lights __________________ Member 23 or 63 depending on what you look at. https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/mgoc26...0rum/forum.php http://two-sixties-blog.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/TheTwoSi.../1/1wPt2rhd_Ps

19th February 2007, 19:11	#3
Rich Posted a thing or two http://Roadca.ms - Letting you see what they see! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Yup Posts: 1,786 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 1 Post	No sorry I didn't mean the wheel arch plastic liner things, I meant the steel inner wing? __________________ https://VehicleGPS.UK http://www.MotorwayCameras.co.uk

19th February 2007, 19:38	#4
bigsteve Regular poster ZT V8 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tonbridge Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	260 shell differences As far as I know the only shell differences between a FWD 75/ZT and the V8 version is the front 2 feet of the transmission was cut out after after the car came down the standard production line and was replaced with a larger one and the rear boot floor was cut out above the diff unit and a different spare wheel panel was fitted to clear the RWD diff. Apart from different subframes and a diff etc and trim options the only other major difference was the wiring loom. front brakes are bigger but seem to be fitted to a FWD hub with the drive shaft hole blanked off, UNLESS YOU KNOW DIFFERENT !!!!! Steve F owner of 1 3/4 V8':SHOCKED: s

20th February 2007, 06:32	#6
Womble Avid contributor ZT-T 260 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Epsom Posts: 140 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm afraid it's not quite that easy! Whilst the 260 looks externally pretty much identical to the other ZTs, there are far more differences than you would ever imagine... 1. Pretty much every single suspension component is different. 2. Whilst the front brakes are the same as the 190, the calipers are in a different position. The rear brakes are completely different, and larger than the fronts. 3. The steering rack is different (shorter ratio). 4. The transmission tunnel is wider in order to accomodate the larger gearbox, which is why we have no ashtray and different floor mats. 5. It is correct that they couldn't fit the 32v engine in without having to cut away too much of the shell. I'd heard bulkhead, but it could well also be wheel arches. Having said that, you couldn't fit the 16v engine to an existing FWD car without also stripping out the existing aircon system and replacing it with the 260s less effective but also much smaller system. I'm sure you could get someone more knowledgeable to give you the next 75 things you'd have to change! One point of interest is that it would be easier for you to convert an auto car into a 75 V8, as the gearbox in that car is smaller than the Tremec box in the 260, so you wouldn't have to worry about losing the ashtray. __________________ You polish yours if you want to... I'll be DRIVING mine! 'Kermit' - MG ZT-T 260 Mk1 - VIN 019

19th February 2007, 22:16	#5
Countach Avid contributor MG ZT-T 190 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dorridge, Solihull Posts: 171 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Does that mean you could modify a Fwd ZT into a RWD ZT without too much hassle? Gosh, then I could get a the V8 tourer in spec I desire! according to the PPC article, the reason the quadcam V8 wasn't used was because that would've ment changing the wheel arches...

21st February 2007, 09:30	#7
bigsteve Regular poster ZT V8 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tonbridge Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	V8 differences Sorry we were only talking about inner arches and shell differences, it looks like the thread has expanded to the car. So the differences are front subframe, hubs, brakes are bigger i think,, anti roll bar, rack, engine !, gearbox, washer bottle, air filter etc, exhaust, rear subframe and everything on it although it bolts to the original body mountings as does the front subframe. electrics are very different on the engine side. SE spec is much higher than non-se but is done using the same bits as the rest of range. the front centre consol is shorter because of the bigger tunnel so no ash tray is fitted, why did they not modifiy the right hand cup holder thats blanked off into a ashtray, I dont care as I am a non smoker. Battery is also moved to boot along with cd player and sat nav if fitted. extra bracket bolted to rear of the car to hold silencer on the other side. different carpet fitted i think due to bigger transmission tunnel. theres not much that different, if you change the whole of front and rear subframes complete with all the compents fitted to them, I know as I am reshelling a V8 now. The quad cam engine will not fit with out cutting back the front surspension turrets as the heads are much wider you still may not get enough clearance:bowdown, but they could of put the 3 valve motor in, but it may of cost more to get from Ford Wanted a TV ampifier that fit inside by the rear window, interior light lens, pair of electric and heated SE front seats, covers unimportant as will be recovered., rear boot floor tray for a V8 I am selling some bits on ebay now Steve F

21st February 2007, 16:34	#9
Tim Feel the size of my Quads MG ZT 440SE, MG HS PHEV & MG3 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Addlestone Posts: 1,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 128 Times in 85 Posts	Don't forget the rear central airvent is missing, half the wheel well takes the diff housing, and the cold adjust dial on the centre of the dash is missing. Smaller heater unit, completely different air con units. Different drive angles on the rear wheels. __________________ Member 23 or 63 depending on what you look at. https://www.two-sixties.co.uk/mgoc26...0rum/forum.php http://two-sixties-blog.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/TheTwoSi.../1/1wPt2rhd_Ps

22nd February 2007, 18:10	#10
bigsteve Regular poster ZT V8 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tonbridge Posts: 68 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Attachment 606 Attachment 607 Attachment 608 Just a few pictures just case you can see any other differances on the V8 version, doner car and new shell cheers Steve __________________ http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...67c1387a36.jpg