'Pattern parts'

Typhoon190 · 29th September 2014, 19:15

With genuine original parts drying up quickly, I've had numerous problems with 'pattern parts' being a poor fit, or being so badly replicated, it's impossible to fit them with out major modification.

Just an idea, but is it perhaps worth starting a list somewhere of specific parts / suppliers to avoid?

andy willi · 29th September 2014, 19:20

dont get me going on this at the moment

andy

jn12 · 29th September 2014, 19:21

Here is a start, Xpart 'genuine' auto brake pedal rubbers. The latest dotted ones made in India start splitting after a month or so. Gone through dozens in the past, ended up just replacing at MOT time.

Solution is to source an original old stock crossed rubber version. I spotted one on ebay and paid £22! It has lasted over a year though

John

DMGRS · 29th September 2014, 19:22

I've seen a fair bit of this, I have a 'corner of shame' where bits I'm trialling have ended up because they're just so far out of spec it's untrue.
It's also the reason I'm now dealing with MG in China a lot, as everything from them has been as you'd expect on the production line, and as you'd want to fit to your own car.

Tensioners, belts, bulbs - you name it, I've probably tested one that's hilariously badly made. The problem is a lot of people will just sell it anyway.

Typhoon190 · 29th September 2014, 19:29

It's very frustrating to buy any parts and have to replace them within the year due to poor quality, ( should technically be replaced under warranty, but not worth the hassle usually ).

What I can't understand is parts that don't fit in the first place. The term ' pattern part ' means the original has been replicated, but this couldn't be further from the truth in some instances.

Astraeus · 29th September 2014, 19:37

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Originally Posted by Typhoon190

It's very frustrating to buy any parts and have to replace them within the year due to poor quality, ( should technically be replaced under warranty, but not worth the hassle usually ).

What I can't understand is parts that don't fit in the first place. The term ' pattern part ' means the original has been replicated, but this couldn't be further from the truth in some instances.

Totally agree

Stupidly bought a pattern part V6 thermostat and housing. Fitted it, put inlet manifolds, fuel rails etc back together with new gaskets and
Coolant piddling out of where seal is in the block hole. Not a good fit at all. Sent a replacement but frankly didn't want to fit so now gathering dust.
Got a genuine one from Howard's Garage. Best was it was not a really cheap pattern part!
You can imagine the language when I had to take it all apart again ....

Still, at keast it was obvious..

Chris

coab · 29th September 2014, 20:28

Is the Diesel engine available in China? Only so the major parts don't dry up.

FREDPLY · 29th September 2014, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Typhoon190

With genuine original parts drying up quickly, I've had numerous problems with 'pattern parts' being a poor fit, or being so badly replicated, it's impossible to fit them with out major modification.

Just an idea, but is it perhaps worth starting a list somewhere of specific parts / suppliers to avoid?

Start the list with euro parts drop links complete dog discharge!

fitted in may both on way out - Going to get some new ones off Matt soon

Typhoon190 · 29th September 2014, 20:59

A few years back I had problems with rear brake pads.

Ferrodo, Halfords, and EBC greenstuff pads, all patterned incorrectly, with the outer pads being a different profile to the inner pads. Surprisingly, they 'rattled' around in the carrier.

EBC did acknowledge the problem, and sent out shims.

Latest was a replacement short handbrake cable http://www.micksgarage.com/proddetails.aspx?pid=1345337

This is no reflection on the seller. They're service was superb. I bought that over the Firstline part, as I've never heard anything good about them, and I was sure Quinton Hazell parts were recommended.

This part was nothing like the original ( I finally discovered ), even before I lost my rag with it.

There was no way it would fit the lever assembly without cutting 25mm off the threaded stud.

MrDoodles · 29th September 2014, 21:17

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Originally Posted by coab

Is the Diesel engine available in China? Only so the major parts don't dry up.

The same engine was used in the Mk 1 Freelander Sean, so no danger of parts drying up any time soon.

The engine also shares some parts with the pre-facelift E46 320d, but contrary to popular misconception, is NOT the same engine!

As for pattern parts, "Buy cheap, buy twice!)

29th September 2014, 19:15	#1
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29th September 2014, 19:22	#4
DMGRS Discount MG Rover Spares Rover 75 CDTi, 2x MG ZS180 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Hythe, Southampton Posts: 11,320 Thanks: 456 Thanked 3,377 Times in 2,027 Posts	I've seen a fair bit of this, I have a 'corner of shame' where bits I'm trialling have ended up because they're just so far out of spec it's untrue. It's also the reason I'm now dealing with MG in China a lot, as everything from them has been as you'd expect on the production line, and as you'd want to fit to your own car. Tensioners, belts, bulbs - you name it, I've probably tested one that's hilariously badly made. The problem is a lot of people will just sell it anyway. __________________ Your trusted MG Rover specialist! Tel: 02380 001133 / Email: [email protected] We now have a 'chat' function on our site for even quicker replies. Give it a try! Remember - discount code FORUM5 for 5% off

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andy willi I really should get out more....... PRE LAUNCH 75/ZT 190/XJ 550 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: carcroft doncaster Posts: 2,866 Thanks: 101 Thanked 680 Times in 342 Posts	dont get me going on this at the moment andy

29th September 2014, 19:21	#3
jn12 Gets stuck in MG ZT SE 180 V6 Sports Auto Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Newcastle upon Tyne Posts: 938 Thanks: 74 Thanked 37 Times in 36 Posts	Here is a start, Xpart 'genuine' auto brake pedal rubbers. The latest dotted ones made in India start splitting after a month or so. Gone through dozens in the past, ended up just replacing at MOT time. Solution is to source an original old stock crossed rubber version. I spotted one on ebay and paid £22! It has lasted over a year though John

29th September 2014, 19:29	#5
Typhoon190 This is my second home MG ZT-T 190 Monogram Typhoon Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 4,704 Thanks: 328 Thanked 557 Times in 443 Posts	It's very frustrating to buy any parts and have to replace them within the year due to poor quality, ( should technically be replaced under warranty, but not worth the hassle usually ). What I can't understand is parts that don't fit in the first place. The term ' pattern part ' means the original has been replicated, but this couldn't be further from the truth in some instances.

29th September 2014, 20:28	#7
coab This is my second home 2007 57 GOLF GTi EDITION 30 DSG Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Newport Shropshire and Coventry. Posts: 5,137 Thanks: 2,424 Thanked 1,452 Times in 852 Posts	Is the Diesel engine available in China? Only so the major parts don't dry up.

29th September 2014, 20:59	#9
Typhoon190 This is my second home MG ZT-T 190 Monogram Typhoon Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 4,704 Thanks: 328 Thanked 557 Times in 443 Posts	A few years back I had problems with rear brake pads. Ferrodo, Halfords, and EBC greenstuff pads, all patterned incorrectly, with the outer pads being a different profile to the inner pads. Surprisingly, they 'rattled' around in the carrier. EBC did acknowledge the problem, and sent out shims. Latest was a replacement short handbrake cable http://www.micksgarage.com/proddetails.aspx?pid=1345337 This is no reflection on the seller. They're service was superb. I bought that over the Firstline part, as I've never heard anything good about them, and I was sure Quinton Hazell parts were recommended. This part was nothing like the original ( I finally discovered ), even before I lost my rag with it. There was no way it would fit the lever assembly without cutting 25mm off the threaded stud.