Plane Crashes into New York River - Page 3

JohnDotCom · 16th January 2009, 18:10

It helped immensely that it was an internal Flight with under half wing tanks fuelled so giving the plane more buoyancy once down.
Still a great landing though.
Helps that he was a Pilot in his 50's and also a Glider Pilot and Trainer.

moonstoneboy · 16th January 2009, 19:14

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Originally Posted by Volzhskyboy

I refer the honourable Gentleman to the answer I gave some moments before.......;

"and out of respect for the steward/stewardess doing their job I watch and listen to them during the safety briefing at the start of each flight,"

Sorry, do not see it that way. I do not disrupt just read etc.

I presume that when a market researcher comes up to you in the street rather than walk on you answer all their questions - after all, they are doing their job.

moonstoneboy · 16th January 2009, 19:19

On a different tack, the cynisism in me envisions newspaper and radio and TV news editors with long faces as it was not a disaster.

Can only imagine what was going through the captains mind whilst deciding where to go. Plus making sure that there was no one still within the plane. A true professional

Volzhskyboy · 16th January 2009, 19:24

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Originally Posted by moonstoneboy

Sorry, do not see it that way. I do not disrupt just read etc.

I presume that when a market researcher comes up to you in the street rather than walk on you answer all their questions - after all, they are doing their job.

Pure nonsense,
All it takes is a polite 'No thank you' to a so called 'Market Researcher' not simply ignore or talk over them.

moonstoneboy · 18th January 2009, 05:33

John

Do you think this will have any bearing on Airbus and Boeing planes? The World has seen how safe Airbus planes are - a landing on water, the plane remaining, seemingly, in tact with the exception of one engine which is obviously the reason why one wing is sticking up.

However, having seen the video of the actual 'landing' the captain seemed to get it just right. Also amazingly passengers trying to get their luggage and one woman refusing to leave without hers - until persuaded to.

Assuming they recover the plane whole what are the chances of this being returned to service?

Paul

A little PS and no more from me - my experience of market researchers are that, if you are within their target band they do not give up trying to get you to answer their questions by you saying 'no thank you' they have quotas to meet.

Truck-Driver · 18th January 2009, 10:44

There are some great pictures of the plane been lifted from the river, that is a serious looking crane. Also the story in the Washington Post tells how lucky they were, due to the skill of the crew.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...011800463.html

JohnDotCom · 18th January 2009, 13:01

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Originally Posted by moonstoneboy

Assuming they recover the plane whole what are the chances of this being returned to service?

Crashed Planes do NOT normally get returned to service.

Jules · 18th January 2009, 13:39

Certainly not one damaged that badly or one that's had water ingress!

The most interesting part of this whole story to me is that the Pilot was indeed a Glider & Fighter Pilot.
I've always said the safest Pilots to fly with are ex or current Glider pilots, as we have to make a "powerless glide" every time we fly.

The number of times I've seen needless Fatal accidents near airfields where the "weekend Cesna Private Pilot" has taken his Family or Friends up & suffered some form of power loss & tried to get back to the Airfield & "spun in" due to lack of airspeed.
I helped pick up the pieces of a Cessna 152 once (very serious injuries to 2 people) where the Pilot tried to turn back to the Airfield.
There was a perfect field straight ahead of him which he could have landed in & saved his legs & the Cessna.

Any plane no matter how big or small, with failed engine/s will glide to a possible survivable landing! It just depends what choice of terrain the pilot opts to land on!
The Space Shuttle being the best powerless example!!

I would encourage any Power Pilot to take a course in Gliding to see how flying without an engine is possible.

Ken · 18th January 2009, 13:40

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Assuming they recover the plane whole what are the chances of this being returned to service?
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Crashed Planes do NOT normally get returned to service.

My Dads Spitfire did

Volzhskyboy · 18th January 2009, 15:37

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John
A little PS and no more from me - my experience of market researchers are that, if you are within their target band they do not give up trying to get you to answer their questions by you saying 'no thank you' they have quotas to meet.

And a last word from me too, if they do pester you this is what i generally say,

"Я не говорю Английский!"

It works too!

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Jules This is my second home ZT 260 SE Twilight and 10 other 75 ZT's :O Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Conwy NORTH WALES Posts: 11,094 Thanks: 512 Thanked 1,116 Times in 763 Posts	Certainly not one damaged that badly or one that's had water ingress! The most interesting part of this whole story to me is that the Pilot was indeed a Glider & Fighter Pilot. I've always said the safest Pilots to fly with are ex or current Glider pilots, as we have to make a "powerless glide" every time we fly. The number of times I've seen needless Fatal accidents near airfields where the "weekend Cesna Private Pilot" has taken his Family or Friends up & suffered some form of power loss & tried to get back to the Airfield & "spun in" due to lack of airspeed. I helped pick up the pieces of a Cessna 152 once (very serious injuries to 2 people) where the Pilot tried to turn back to the Airfield. There was a perfect field straight ahead of him which he could have landed in & saved his legs & the Cessna. Any plane no matter how big or small, with failed engine/s will glide to a possible survivable landing! It just depends what choice of terrain the pilot opts to land on! The Space Shuttle being the best powerless example!! I would encourage any Power Pilot to take a course in Gliding to see how flying without an engine is possible. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Newbies do now!! 1. Plenum drains..all 3 or 4 year dependent 2. Cooling fan..All speeds functioning 3. Bonnet cable divider block

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JohnDotCom * Rover 75 FaceLift Tourer CDTi 170BHP Auto ConnSE 2005 Model Starlight Silver Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Abergele Posts: 28,735 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	It helped immensely that it was an internal Flight with under half wing tanks fuelled so giving the plane more buoyancy once down. Still a great landing though. Helps that he was a Pilot in his 50's and also a Glider Pilot and Trainer.

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moonstoneboy Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Connoisseur SE CDT Tourer - naturally in Moonstone Green Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Surrey - near Gatwick Airport Posts: 1,316 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	On a different tack, the cynisism in me envisions newspaper and radio and TV news editors with long faces as it was not a disaster. Can only imagine what was going through the captains mind whilst deciding where to go. Plus making sure that there was no one still within the plane. A true professional

18th January 2009, 05:33	#25
moonstoneboy Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Connoisseur SE CDT Tourer - naturally in Moonstone Green Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Surrey - near Gatwick Airport Posts: 1,316 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	John Do you think this will have any bearing on Airbus and Boeing planes? The World has seen how safe Airbus planes are - a landing on water, the plane remaining, seemingly, in tact with the exception of one engine which is obviously the reason why one wing is sticking up. However, having seen the video of the actual 'landing' the captain seemed to get it just right. Also amazingly passengers trying to get their luggage and one woman refusing to leave without hers - until persuaded to. Assuming they recover the plane whole what are the chances of this being returned to service? Paul A little PS and no more from me - my experience of market researchers are that, if you are within their target band they do not give up trying to get you to answer their questions by you saying 'no thank you' they have quotas to meet.

18th January 2009, 10:44	#26
Truck-Driver Regular poster 75 Saloon CDT Club SE 2001 Y Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: South Derbyshire Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	There are some great pictures of the plane been lifted from the river, that is a serious looking crane. Also the story in the Washington Post tells how lucky they were, due to the skill of the crew. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...011800463.html