Club going around in circles!

[Bigal2218]

There are so many references to TOAF that I feel I'm missing-out on something important. Will someone please explain what it is?

[Ennine]

Originally Posted by Bigal2218

There are so many references to TOAF that I feel I'm missing-out on something important. Will someone please explain what it is?

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[murphyv310]

Hi.
I'm sure that if anyone wants to research TOAF they will find enough about it using the Search button on the home page.
It's caused a lot of grief to members, mods and traders I am sure we would all like a rest from it now.
There is of course the TOAF website and the developers will I am sure answer questions, probably where the questions should have been directed to in the first instance anyway.

[cb750chris]

Originally Posted by TomRS

My views are simple really... as they arent charging or selling a product then why should they pay trader fees?

Traders on here sell things and make a profit, these guys did it for the good of the community, they made a program to benifit everyone and not themselves... surely thats contribution enough?

Hi Tom,
Can I just say, this is not an attack at you, but more how things are going form my point of view....

It may be the case for other traders on here too... But I had to become a trader to advertise that I can offer my T4 services. However I have had a grand total of 0 (zero) people contact me in the last 6 weeks.
The result of this is that I am considering withdrawing my offer of T4 services on this forum as it is not practical to pay £8/month simply to offer a service that doesn't return that cost. I don't charge high prices but I do need people to actually take advantage of my services otherwise it is not cost effective.
Now I am not saying "feel sorry for me" as I am so hard done by - I say good luck to the guys with TOAF. But people need to remember, when it becomes non-cost effective traders will stop being traders, and that source of help will disappear... In much the same way, when people complain ex-dealers can't do T4 work anymore - that is because the work/money isn't there anymore to make it worth keeping somebody "current" with the equipment.

Chris

[murphyv310]

Originally Posted by cb750chris

Hi Tom,
Can I just say, this is not an attack at you, but more how things are going form my point of view....

It may be the case for other traders on here too... But I had to become a trader to advertise that I can offer my T4 services. However I have had a grand total of 0 (zero) people contact me in the last 6 weeks.
The result of this is that I am considering withdrawing my offer of T4 services on this forum as it is not practical to pay £8/month simply to offer a service that doesn't return that cost. I don't charge high prices but I do need people to actually take advantage of my services otherwise it is not cost effective.
Now I am not saying "feel sorry for me" as I am so hard done by - I say good luck to the guys with TOAF. But people need to remember, when it becomes non-cost effective traders will stop being traders, and that source of help will disappear... In much the same way, when people complain ex-dealers can't do T4 work anymore - that is because the work/money isn't there anymore to make it worth keeping somebody "current" with the equipment.

Chris

Hi Chris.
You have my sympathy! I have been told that an established T4 trader really scratches to make a living!
As I was once self employed I fully understand what it's like when you have to watch every penny. The problem is of course with Rover's a dying breed and other forms of diagnoses you either eventually give up or branch out and do other work.
If you give up then you have the other side of the coin from the DWP who are really difficult with those that were self employed!
TOAF could well have caused a downturn in business for T4 operatives but lets not blame TOAF fully for this, as I have said above other factors have to be taken into account!

[Alex30013k]

i have been a member of this forum since day one, i moved over when the last load of drama started to support this club, but i read the forum a lot and its just petty with all the arguments.


All the old faces that used to have so much input and help others have left due to drama on this site

i am now going on the other forum now as its more "free" people can say what they like and in return there is more help and information.

if it wasn't for toaf i wouldn't have been able to fix a problem with my lcm that i have had for 8 years with out knowing. i would have never paid for it to be looked at as i cant afford to hook up and just try.

I do all my serving and work my self as cant afford to pay other people to do the work, so no one has lost any money due to me.

Thing is people have to move on and we do. its like banning people with mobile phones because they are not supporting phone boxes any more. its just silly.

I understand that guys with T4s say they are losing out money but it was there choice to buy the machine in the first place. But end of the day if any one brought one thinking they will make a living on it that's just mad.

the owners of these cars now are more people that brought a cheap car, as they are on a budget, so the costs to keep the car on the road have to be low and if it means using free software then that's how it will be.

Fair play to the guys that are investing all their time into making toaf. it allows me to keep mine, my mums and my gran parents car on the road.

Every one knows about the software now. they will just use the other forum to get information and this forum will be left in the dark ages with phone boxes.

[carlos]

I have been using this site since 2007 and waiting for toaf since I got the car in 2004
but I am now thinking of leaving,
with what's been happening over the last couple of weeks I wonder if this site is any of what it once was, I think its now being run by and for the traders and banning toaf was a mistake, so I am going over to the other side where I will hopefully be able to get plenty of toaf how two's
I cant believe that I am actually embarrassed to be associated with this site. and I know I am not the only one
the actions of traders and moderators against the toaf people is all over the net and its this site that's getting the bad name
t4 has had a good run if not a monopoly for far too long

[coolcat]

Originally Posted by carlos

I have been using this site since 2007 and waiting for toaf since I got the car in 2004
but I am now thinking of leaving,
with what's been happening over the last couple of weeks I wonder if this site is any of what it once was, I think its now being run by and for the traders and banning toaf was a mistake, so I am going over to the other side where I will hopefully be able to get plenty of toaf how two's
I cant believe that I am actually embarrassed to be associated with this site. and I know I am not the only one
the actions of traders and moderators against the toaf people is all over the net and its this site that's getting the bad name
t4 has had a good run if not a monopoly for far too long

11 posts in all those years, you've been very busy contributing to the club then ?

[rich17865]

Originally Posted by coolcat

11 posts in all those years, you've been very busy contributing to the club then ?

There are a lot more people who read the forum than post on it.

[coolcat]

Originally Posted by rich17865

There are a lot more people who read the forum than post on it.

No doubt