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Old 6th July 2022, 07:40   #181
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Found this website when trying to find out how the Barnett formula was calculated.
Interesting how much of government (small g) that Sturgeon actually controls now.
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Old 6th July 2022, 09:01   #182
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Found this website when trying to find out how the Barnett formula was calculated.
Interesting how much of government (small g) that Sturgeon actually controls now.
Think the problem is, both sides twist the figures to suit their own perfidious agenda. Doubt we'll ever get any truth or accuracy.

One thing for certain, it will be nothing like what the supporters of independence say it will be, things rarely go according to plan. But both sides will blame the other.
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Old 6th July 2022, 09:04   #183
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Worth another read:

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...arnett-formula



Thanks for that, very interesting. Sort of dispels the myths and fables that are frequently used.

The formula as written seems very generous especially as any national increase in the grant to devolved countries is not required to be used in the same sector as the one that gave rise to the figures, but in other areas of expenditure that are naturally a different priority for the receiving country. I can’t think of anything more equitable or innovative.

In fact it’s skewed in favour of the receiving country. There is no necessity to use the grant for the services and costs that gave rise (in England) to the figures. That’s truly independence, and is a mile away from what happens over the channel.

Further, it can highlight the use/misuse of funds in quite a nifty way. It pointedly increases focus on devolved governments' performance. In this case and with due regard for legendary and sound fiscal matters in Scotland, the spotlight might not be welcomed in all quarters.

The Union works and works very well financially for all concerned but is wrongly being held responsible for internal inadequacies.
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Old 6th July 2022, 13:04   #184
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Looks like the answer is no from our beleaguered pm.

Interesting times.
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Looks like the answer is no from our beleaguered pm.

Interesting times.

He is even starting to look a bit like Trump!
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Old 6th July 2022, 21:31   #187
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I can't imagine many Scots are sat at home watching the news at the moment thinking "thank heavens Boris is clinging on".
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If they allowed the English to vote the will easily get over 50%.
What's Scottish independence got to do with the English?, don't get it!. In any case I don't see why the English should need to vote in any possible referendum to leave the Union and become independent, in a fully democratic society, what ever that may actually mean, it is up to the people to decide, or has this idea been abandoned now?.
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What's Scottish independence got to do with the English?, don't get it!. In any case I don't see why the English should need to vote in any possible referendum to leave the Union and become independent, in a fully democratic society, what ever that may actually mean, it is up to the people to decide, or has this idea been abandoned now?.

Scottish independence has everything to do with the the rest of the UK.
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If the rest of the UK has nothing to do with Scottish Independence can someone explain what 'Union' means? And why an 'agreement' was signed? Or was it with a crossed finger and one eye?

As it is now, if Scotland were to be faced with a national existential crisis, the rest of the Union would without question bear joint responsibility for any recovery. I'm pretty sure coffers would be opened pdq. Seems awkwardly one sided to me.

Ultimately it looks like a case of political sectarianism driving this historic partnership into the ground.
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