Value for money

macafee2 · 4th August 2022, 16:14

Apparently Gareth Southgate the England men's football manager has agreed a two-year contract extension as England manager, keeping him in charge until after Euro 2024.

Southgate’s salary is thought to have increased from £3million per year to around £5m plus bonuses

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...4-b967553.html

He took over the managers role in 2016 and has won nothing and in my opinion, nor will he. We wont have long to wait for the world cup, so will I have to eat my words?

England women’s football team manager, Sarina Wiegman, reportedly earns over £4 million less than men’s manager, Gareth Southgate.
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-b2135740.html

Sarina Wiegman took over the role in September 2021, in 10 months she won the 2022 Euros.

I'm of the opinion Sarina is "value for money" and Gareth is not.

macafee2

VVC-Geeza · 4th August 2022, 19:12

Southgate has certainly done a lot better than the managers he followed,in my opinion, going right the way back to Bobby Robson.At least we have have made a final and semi final under him,although I do point the blame mostly his way for loosing those matches because of his poor decisons and tactics.That's not to say the players don't share some blame as well.Italia 90 was the best tournament ever for me and my greatest sporting disapointment having come so close to becoming world champions.I agree,a new improved contract is premature.Lets see how we do in Qatar now he has something to build on and there is some genuine expectation.A new contract or not should have resulted from this latest competition.Despite the brilliant recent success of the ladies team,you can't compare the scale of mens football worldwide to that of the ladies.So sadly there is a wide differential in salaries regardless of who has been more successful.Hopefully that will change if the ladies team continue to put trophies on the table

macafee2 · 4th August 2022, 20:02

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Originally Posted by VVC-Geeza

Southgate has certainly done a lot better than the managers he followed,in my opinion, going right the way back to Bobby Robson.At least we have have made a final and semi final under him,although I do point the blame mostly his way for loosing those matches because of his poor decisons and tactics.That's not to say the players don't share some blame as well.Italia 90 was the best tournament ever for me and my greatest sporting disapointment having come so close to becoming world champions.I agree,a new improved contract is premature.Lets see how we do in Qatar now he has something to build on and there is some genuine expectation.A new contract or not should have resulted from this latest competition.Despite the brilliant recent success of the ladies team,you can't compare the scale of mens football worldwide to that of the ladies.So sadly there is a wide differential in salaries regardless of who has been more successful.Hopefully that will change if the ladies team continue to put trophies on the table

I am comparing less then 1 year and one tournament win against 6 years and no win. The FA appointed a manager with no winning experience for the men and for the women appointed someone who won the previous tournament. To win back to back with two different teams is not to be sneezed at.
I am no fan of Southgate because he picks a bad team and makes bad decisions. You only have to look at who took the penalties that were missed for the men to see decision making capability

macafee2

another_clean_sheet · 4th August 2022, 20:46

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Originally Posted by macafee2

I am no fan of Southgate because he picks a bad team and makes bad decisions. You only have to look at who took the penalties that were missed for the men to see decision making capability

macafee2

Hindsight is an exact science.

macafee2 · 4th August 2022, 20:54

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Originally Posted by another_clean_sheet

Hindsight is an exact science.

To give "children" the job was unfair to them, what on earth was he thinking?
I was shocked at the time.

macafee2

VVC-Geeza · 4th August 2022, 21:03

Selecting players to take a penalty who have played little or no part in the game is just poor judgement.Particularly when the outcome of a major final is at stake.

Borg Warner · 4th August 2022, 22:21

Well just goes to show that they are all overpaid.

Same as the pundits.

4th August 2022, 16:14	#1
macafee2 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon & Tourer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Lincoln Posts: 14,912 Thanks: 1,630 Thanked 3,032 Times in 2,181 Posts	Value for money Apparently Gareth Southgate the England men's football manager has agreed a two-year contract extension as England manager, keeping him in charge until after Euro 2024. Southgate’s salary is thought to have increased from £3million per year to around £5m plus bonuses https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...4-b967553.html He took over the managers role in 2016 and has won nothing and in my opinion, nor will he. We wont have long to wait for the world cup, so will I have to eat my words? England women’s football team manager, Sarina Wiegman, reportedly earns over £4 million less than men’s manager, Gareth Southgate. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-b2135740.html Sarina Wiegman took over the role in September 2021, in 10 months she won the 2022 Euros. I'm of the opinion Sarina is "value for money" and Gareth is not. macafee2

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VVC-Geeza This is my second home 2005 Connoisseur SE 1.8 Turbo,2004 45 1.8 Connoisseur and my beloved 1998 VVC Coupe. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Derby. Posts: 8,756 Thanks: 2,022 Thanked 1,016 Times in 739 Posts	Southgate has certainly done a lot better than the managers he followed,in my opinion, going right the way back to Bobby Robson.At least we have have made a final and semi final under him,although I do point the blame mostly his way for loosing those matches because of his poor decisons and tactics.That's not to say the players don't share some blame as well.Italia 90 was the best tournament ever for me and my greatest sporting disapointment having come so close to becoming world champions.I agree,a new improved contract is premature.Lets see how we do in Qatar now he has something to build on and there is some genuine expectation.A new contract or not should have resulted from this latest competition.Despite the brilliant recent success of the ladies team,you can't compare the scale of mens football worldwide to that of the ladies.So sadly there is a wide differential in salaries regardless of who has been more successful.Hopefully that will change if the ladies team continue to put trophies on the table __________________

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VVC-Geeza This is my second home 2005 Connoisseur SE 1.8 Turbo,2004 45 1.8 Connoisseur and my beloved 1998 VVC Coupe. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Derby. Posts: 8,756 Thanks: 2,022 Thanked 1,016 Times in 739 Posts	Selecting players to take a penalty who have played little or no part in the game is just poor judgement.Particularly when the outcome of a major final is at stake. __________________ Last edited by VVC-Geeza; 4th August 2022 at 22:04.. Reason: Context added.

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4th August 2022, 22:21	#7
Borg Warner I really should get out more....... None Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2,579 Thanks: 494 Thanked 657 Times in 402 Posts	Well just goes to show that they are all overpaid. Same as the pundits.