Key dissassembly - any idea?

oswestryalex · 4th May 2017, 12:48

OK - I had this with my MG ZT last year when I had to pay the key cutter for a new high priced key fob/key as he wouldn't cut the cheap one I had bought off eBay. Now a key for my Rover 75 has fallen apart - the button that opens it up fell to pieces, luckily in my yard. I have a spare key fob that is exactly the same size with a blank. Question - how do you remove the existing metal key from the old one to put it into the new one? It looks as though it is just a plug of black plastic wedged in place, but I have tried with electrical pliers to pull the old one out of the old shell, but no joy. I can see if I persist it will break. I can't seem to push with a screwdriver from the back end.
So over to the forum - anyone have any ideas, or is this a pay up and shut up business once again? Cheers..
It now turns out the independent key cutter in Oswestry has closed down - only Timpsons who won't do Rover keys at all - policy, apparently. I may be heading further afield with it... Tried the pliers, but looked like damage would be done to the blade before getting it out, so desisted.

Gareth.Richards · 4th May 2017, 12:55

Alex
Should just pull out, but might be held in with a roll pin.
Possibly been superglued in previously!
As the old fob is broken you could cut it up to get the original key out.
Gareth

Seanalf · 4th May 2017, 12:57

I had a very worn key fob on my last car and managed to grab a couple of scrap car keys that were in great condition. Stripped the pcb's and transponders out of old keys ready to go into scrap key.

I removed the loose blade of one by putting the blade in a vice and loads of wiggling. the plastic around the blade was worn and broken so it came out with a snap eventually. wasn't bothered as it was the fob that was going in the bin, did the same to the scrap car key, so a bit of araldite into the newer fob, let it dry and all was good in the hood.

planenut · 4th May 2017, 13:00

As with other comments but I found that a tiny piece of double sided tape keeps the chip in place in the fresh fob.

T-Cut · 4th May 2017, 21:40

In my (limited) experience, it's virtually impossible to extract the blade with it's plastic insert with some damage. Refitting the now compromised insert into a new fob is very difficult. The insert will go so far, but is unlikely to give as neat a job as the original. The use of some sort of adhesive seems to be usual. Supergloo will certainly bond the joint well enough.

TC

Jim Jamieson · 4th May 2017, 22:23

Check out my post "Replacing worn key fob" under the "How to" go to page 3

Sorry unable to post a link using this pad.

It gives an illustrated how to

stocktake · 5th May 2017, 06:24

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=132716

dbt01 · 5th May 2017, 10:10

The local key-cutter here has no problem copying the key-blade into one of the eBay case with a blank blade things. He has to disassemble the original (= destroy) to fit his machine, so on all 4 of my cars I've had two made each time. Cost me 10 Euros a pop for cutting though.

David

Bigal2218 · 6th May 2017, 10:58

It is held in with a roll pin. I carefully cut around the plastic using a Dremel to expose the roll pin. Then pushed out the pin using a pin punch or drift. Of course the key fob is fit for nothing after key blade removal, but it is the one that is due for scrappage anyway. Best of luck

MGDave19672 · 6th May 2017, 17:48

Yes there is a small roll pin inside. When I replaced both my key fobs as the buttons were gone I managed to just pull the blade out of the one and I refitted it using a dab of superglue and it's perfect. The other one wouldn't come out at all, so my local cobbler cut me a new blade for £8 but did warn me some ebay blanks may break his cutting tool which I'd be liable to pay for.
I took the chance and it cut spot on.

4th May 2017, 12:48	#1
oswestryalex Loves to post Rover 75 1.8T connoisseur saloon 2003 in blue , MG ZT 190+ 2003 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oswestry Posts: 308 Thanks: 159 Thanked 99 Times in 57 Posts	Key dissassembly - any idea? OK - I had this with my MG ZT last year when I had to pay the key cutter for a new high priced key fob/key as he wouldn't cut the cheap one I had bought off eBay. Now a key for my Rover 75 has fallen apart - the button that opens it up fell to pieces, luckily in my yard. I have a spare key fob that is exactly the same size with a blank. Question - how do you remove the existing metal key from the old one to put it into the new one? It looks as though it is just a plug of black plastic wedged in place, but I have tried with electrical pliers to pull the old one out of the old shell, but no joy. I can see if I persist it will break. I can't seem to push with a screwdriver from the back end. So over to the forum - anyone have any ideas, or is this a pay up and shut up business once again? Cheers.. It now turns out the independent key cutter in Oswestry has closed down - only Timpsons who won't do Rover keys at all - policy, apparently. I may be heading further afield with it... Tried the pliers, but looked like damage would be done to the blade before getting it out, so desisted. Last edited by oswestryalex; 5th May 2017 at 22:14.. Reason: update on saga

4th May 2017, 12:57	#3
Seanalf Gets stuck in Rover 75 CDTi Connie Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Llanhilleth Posts: 584 Thanks: 193 Thanked 126 Times in 81 Posts	I had a very worn key fob on my last car and managed to grab a couple of scrap car keys that were in great condition. Stripped the pcb's and transponders out of old keys ready to go into scrap key. I removed the loose blade of one by putting the blade in a vice and loads of wiggling. the plastic around the blade was worn and broken so it came out with a snap eventually. wasn't bothered as it was the fob that was going in the bin, did the same to the scrap car key, so a bit of araldite into the newer fob, let it dry and all was good in the hood. __________________ This is my Rover, there are many like it, but this one is mine Born; Wednesday, 3rd October 2001 @ 16:00:16 The 34,336th 75 to run off the production line of 112,381 This was the 4,730th 75 CDT Connoisseur to be made out of 10,898 This was the 2,647th 75 in White Gold Metallic (code: GMN) to be made out of 12,251 White Gold Metallic 75s To do MK2 dials with IPK, FBH repair, headlining repair (again!) and some cosmetics.

5th May 2017, 06:24	#7
stocktake Vis Whiz Rover 75 2.5 auto Saloon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: LEEDS Posts: 20,590 Thanks: 2,057 Thanked 3,056 Times in 1,621 Posts	http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=132716 __________________ Dave... Lost a few stones and a Gall Bladder and part of a bile duct and all of my dignity in the suppository incident

5th May 2017, 10:10	#8
dbt01 Retired Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 378 Thanks: 15 Thanked 106 Times in 85 Posts	The local key-cutter here has no problem copying the key-blade into one of the eBay case with a blank blade things. He has to disassemble the original (= destroy) to fit his machine, so on all 4 of my cars I've had two made each time. Cost me 10 Euros a pop for cutting though. David Last edited by dbt01; 5th May 2017 at 10:19..

6th May 2017, 10:58	#9
Bigal2218 Regular poster Rover 75 Tourer Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Beckenham Posts: 88 Thanks: 6 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Key dissassembly - any idea? It is held in with a roll pin. I carefully cut around the plastic using a Dremel to expose the roll pin. Then pushed out the pin using a pin punch or drift. Of course the key fob is fit for nothing after key blade removal, but it is the one that is due for scrappage anyway. Best of luck

4th May 2017, 12:55	#2
Gareth.Richards Loves to post Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Oswestry Posts: 399 Thanks: 263 Thanked 93 Times in 84 Posts	Alex Should just pull out, but might be held in with a roll pin. Possibly been superglued in previously! As the old fob is broken you could cut it up to get the original key out. Gareth

4th May 2017, 13:00	#4
planenut Regional Secretary Rover 1.8T Tourer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Heathrow Posts: 6,955 Thanks: 1,551 Thanked 2,036 Times in 1,264 Posts	As with other comments but I found that a tiny piece of double sided tape keeps the chip in place in the fresh fob.

4th May 2017, 21:40	#5
T-Cut This is my second home Rover75 and Mreg Corsa. Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sumweer onat mote o'dust (Sagin) Posts: 21,753 Thanks: 341 Thanked 3,660 Times in 2,924 Posts	In my (limited) experience, it's virtually impossible to extract the blade with it's plastic insert with some damage. Refitting the now compromised insert into a new fob is very difficult. The insert will go so far, but is unlikely to give as neat a job as the original. The use of some sort of adhesive seems to be usual. Supergloo will certainly bond the joint well enough. TC

4th May 2017, 22:23	#6
Jim Jamieson This is my second home Rover less ! Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Tarbolton Posts: 3,442 Thanks: 393 Thanked 888 Times in 542 Posts	Check out my post "Replacing worn key fob" under the "How to" go to page 3 Sorry unable to post a link using this pad. It gives an illustrated how to

6th May 2017, 17:48	#10
MGDave19672 Regular poster MG ZT Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Bromsgrove Posts: 37 Thanks: 12 Thanked 15 Times in 10 Posts	Yes there is a small roll pin inside. When I replaced both my key fobs as the buttons were gone I managed to just pull the blade out of the one and I refitted it using a dab of superglue and it's perfect. The other one wouldn't come out at all, so my local cobbler cut me a new blade for £8 but did warn me some ebay blanks may break his cutting tool which I'd be liable to pay for. I took the chance and it cut spot on.