Buying from ebay and 3 month warranty

[arnosvale65]

Say I have seen a car I would like to buy on ebay. The seller does not state that he is a trader but has a history of selling cars and has a couple more for sale at the same time. Will the new selling rules apply in this case? Will I still get 3 months warranty and the cooling off period? I am thinking that this may be a way for dealers to get round the new rules. I suppose one way is to check who the car is registered to.

[first-things-first]

If he is a trader, I believe it is a 6 month warranty and the onus on them to prove fault was not there.

See here (link further down to AA details on dealer warranty) :

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=238487

Personally, if he is not stated as being a trader, then assume he is not. At best he may be selling his own "collection", at worst he is probably a "trader not trader" with those A4 window adverts you see on grass verges.

You will soon get a feel for what type by having a chat. Act dumb about the car - does it have a cam belt? don't they all have head gasket issues? In my experience, his language and body language will tell you all you need to know.

edit : if unwilling to declare themselves as a trader, what else are they hiding (other than from the taxman / inland revenue ).

[Avulon]

Whether or not they are technically a trader matters much less than your chances of gaining any after sales backup. IMO if they don't have a bricks & mortar presence then don't expect to be able to uphold any mandatory warranty. Even if they do have a b&m presence you'll likely have to work quite hard to get a warranty recognised by the seller. It is still very much a 'buyer beware' world when buying secondhand cars - unless buying from a proper dealership - who themselves have many ways of procrastinating and putting off any potential claims (from the accounts I hear and read about). If at all unsure then either walk away or get a proper independant inspection done - however these themselves aren't cheap either, and you pay for the inspection whether you buy or not.

[markm1741]

well you could be discussing me "lol" yes I give a warranty with all my cars but firstly I don't put myself in a position where they could fail all my cars are run personally by me first before advert is done.

also the comments here are quiet correct 6 mths but after 3 you need to prove fault was there upon purchase. can you imagine the judge saying its 5 mths on and 100,000 miles or less and you have done 3.500 miles and the gearbox has failed was it not faulty on buying?

also you can buy a warranty off the TV not worth the paper its written on. eg, wheel bearing noisy has it failed or collapsed No so your not covered...........enough said' I have worked the independents and for the big boys it's all sell sell sell, then prove it we move on. if you wish to ask anything please do so

rgds

markm1741 perfect feedback from selling used cars

[first-things-first]

Originally Posted by markm1741

also the comments here are quiet correct 6 mths but after 3 you need to prove fault was there upon purchase. can you imagine the judge saying its 5 mths on and 100,000 miles or less and you have done 3.500 miles and the gearbox has failed was it not faulty on buying?

Are you quite sure on that? I believe the law assumes that the fault was there on purchase, up to 6 months after purchase. It is up to the dealer to proves otherwise within the first 6 months.

Quote from here (page 32 flow chart in PDF) - http://www.norfolk.gov.uk/view/NCC094699 :

"Faults with the vehicle emerge in first six months after purchase – presumed to have been present at time of sale. Burden of proof is with the dealer to prove fault not present at time of sale."

[arnosvale65]

Originally Posted by markm1741

well you could be discussing me "lol" yes I give a warranty with all my cars but firstly I don't put myself in a position where they could fail all my cars are run personally by me first before advert is done.

also the comments here are quiet correct 6 mths but after 3 you need to prove fault was there upon purchase. can you imagine the judge saying its 5 mths on and 100,000 miles or less and you have done 3.500 miles and the gearbox has failed was it not faulty on buying?

also you can buy a warranty off the TV not worth the paper its written on. eg, wheel bearing noisy has it failed or collapsed No so your not covered...........enough said' I have worked the independents and for the big boys it's all sell sell sell, then prove it we move on. if you wish to ask anything please do so

rgds



markm1741 perfect feedback from selling used cars

I love your ads though

[markm1741]

Originally Posted by arnosvale65

I love your ads though

Thank you

[markm1741]

Originally Posted by first-things-first

Are you quite sure on that? I believe the law assumes that the fault was there on purchase, up to 6 months after purchase. It is up to the dealer to proves otherwise within the first 6 months.

Quote from here (page 32 flow chart in PDF) - http://www.norfolk.gov.uk/view/NCC094699 :

"Faults with the vehicle emerge in first six months after purchase – presumed to have been present at time of sale. Burden of proof is with the dealer to prove fault not present at time of sale."

Yes quire correct but very very differ cult to proof thing about that fact and statement we would never buy new we would local dealer buy then after 5 mths find fault then get re fund the used car market would crash over night . How can anybody think that a modest out lay will not need issues fixing in 6 mths that arise after purchase. Remember your mot is only as good and perfect when on the ramp being done when printed out any faults they after are your reponseabilty.
Point being
You buy a 75 1.8 it's perfect 36k miles you do 6k miles in 5 mths head gasket fialils who pays the seller or the buyer as that fault cannot be proved to be inherent as we all know on here they thing wouldn't do 5k if it was there at point of sale . Forget all the clowns clogging the courts with petty crime it would be full of used cars dealers proving there innocence

[Kennyeth]

But what`s to stop an idiot driver tear-assing around and not respecting his purchase, breaking parts on it because he can`t drive correctly??
If I sold one of mine today, would I come under the same rules?? and pay for repairs or refund within the 3 months?
Ken.

[MSS]

Originally Posted by markm1741

well you could be discussing me "lol" yes I give a warranty with all my cars but firstly I don't put myself in a position where they could fail all my cars are run personally by me first before advert is done.
.......

It seems that you are capable of defying basic laws of physics. I was under the impression that all mechanical machines will fail, the only question being when and the failure mode. How do you pre-empt mechanical problems?

Originally Posted by markm1741

markm1741 perfect feedback from selling used cars

But evidently not from forum members who wish to see fair play in the spirit of the forum rules concerning traders promoting themselves and their cars on the owners' forum and paying associated fees!