Sarah Everard vigil

[steve1975]

Another show of disgusting behaviour by the met police...
People simply showing respect and condolences to a girl who lost her life to a copper....
The same copper paid to protect her...
All was peaceful till the met turned up and threw people to the floor Inc woman and arresting them....
Are they being serious?
Even pretty 'useless' Patel told them to go easy on them and not to incite unrest...take it they didn't get that memo...
My thoughts go out to her friends and family at this awfull time.

[macafee2]

I have not hard much news,did any political party or MP come out and say let it go ahead before it went ahead?

Also on the BBC web site, The official vigil, which was being organised by Reclaim These Streets, had been called off earlier in the day due to police warnings over coronavirus restrictions


was peaceful and perhaps illegal?

Oh get off having a pop about the possible killer being a police office and paid to protect her. You are one rule for one and another.
Lets not forget who did the investigating and arresting, the very people you like to slag off. I suspect the arresting and investigating officers are not happy for the investigation to have led them to one of their own.

macafee2

[Discofan]

It's a thankless task policing, always stuck in the middle trying to uphold the law and getting stick for doing it. People are quick to judge and condem, you want to try putting the uniform on.

[steve1975]

Originally Posted by Discofan

It's a thankless task policing, always stuck in the middle trying to uphold the law and getting stick for doing it. People are quick to judge and condem, you want to try putting the uniform on.

No amount of money could persuade me to put that on...they've lost my respect a while ago,and many other people feel the same way too.
Many years ago they were respected ( including myself) but over the lasts few years with the bully boy tactics and mass corruption flowing through them,the police are in bother..and they know it.

[Tim]

All sad but a Judge said no, the Police said no, current C19 situation says no. Even the organiser said no don't attend! So don't do it, but it still happens. Thankless task to have to sort things out.

[Westonboy]

In 1981 when I was serving as a Prison Officer at HMP Bristol I attended the post riot trials at Bristol Crown Court. I shall never forget the testimony of a woman Police Officer, she led across the body of a stabbed colleague to afford him some protection whilst a rioter proceeded to smash her face in with a brick, and the scars where still there for all to see. Amazing courage, in my opinion Never was so much owed by so many to so few.

[trikey]

Originally Posted by Georgies Dad

We are still in lockdown,the message is simple.

Stay At Home

How difficult is that to understand?

Pity the murderer didn’t.

[macafee2]

Originally Posted by trikey

Pity the murderer didn’t.

perhaps the investigating police should have also stayed home, that would have given the women something else to moan about.

I bet the met are well cheesed off and no wonder. Why on earth people think it as acceptable for a mass gathering is beyond me, the event had been called off. Seems people are happy to condone a mass gathering and condone those that try to enforce the rules.
law breakers 1 law enforces 0
No wonder we have so much trouble on our streets when the police get slaughtered for doing their job.
How to break the rules and come up smelling of Roses.

Violence against women, rape, murder and domestic violence is abhorrent.
We know what men are like so how do we avoid these incidents?
Dare I suggest women don't get drunk or go home with a bloke they just met or go for a walk with a bloke to certain areas?
Dare I suggest pubs take more responsibility for people getting drunk on their premises.... tried that, got taken to task for it
Dare I suggest DNA is taken at "birth", omg civil liberties will go mad.
This only helps identify the offender and does not stop crime
Dare I say all men and women have to submit to a drugs search before going into any pub
Dare I say every man and woman mas provide recordable and checkable identification on entry to a pub

So what are the suggestions to keep women save? I have no idea how you can keep a woman's freedom to go where she wants with keeping them safe. Another 20,000 police officers will be enough


macafee2

[Nick91]

Originally Posted by macafee2

We know what men are like so how do we avoid these incidents?
Dare I suggest women don't get drunk or go home with a bloke they just met or go for a walk with a bloke to certain areas?

Would you like it if you went to the pub for a few and got mugged on the way home and the only advice from the police was to curtail your drinking habits? People get drunk sometimes, I expect we've all been there. From everything I can gather this woman hadn't been out drinking.

This comes back to the old "If a bloke walks down a dark alley wearing loads of gold and gets mugged, then it's his fault". The thing is, it isn't the victims fault. It's the fault of the attacker/rapist/mugger. They are the person that committed the crime. With that said, the world is undoubtedly a nasty place and people need to use their loaf.

In this case it seems that Sarah Everard was doing everything that was advised to her (not listening to headphones whilst walking, called someone shortly before the attack to let them know where she was). That's one of the reasons why people are so upset. The answer can't be to tell women not to go out at night, what about all of the nurses sticking needles into arms as we speak and working 48hr days?

Nor is the answer, the ridiculous statement that I've heard in the media for the last few years, that we should "teach men not to rape". You don't teach a rapist anything, you lock them away for as long as their miserable lives will allow. I don't see the woke brigade reducing levels of rape to any serious extent, rapists are rapists and should be behind bars.

The answer has to be better policing in my view.

[RPWC]

Originally Posted by Nick91

Would you like it if you went to the pub for a few and got mugged on the way home and the only advice from the police was to curtail your drinking habits? People get drunk sometimes, I expect we've all been there. From everything I can gather this woman hadn't been out drinking.

This comes back to the old "If a bloke walks down a dark alley wearing loads of gold and gets mugged, then it's his fault". The thing is, it isn't the victims fault. It's the fault of the attacker/rapist/mugger. They are the person that committed the crime. With that said, the world is undoubtedly a nasty place and people need to use their loaf.

In this case it seems that Sarah Everard was doing everything that was advised to her (not listening to headphones whilst walking, called someone shortly before the attack to let them know where she was). That's one of the reasons why people are so upset. The answer can't be to tell women not to go out at night, what about all of the nurses sticking needles into arms as we speak and working 48hr days?

Nor is the answer, the ridiculous statement that I've heard in the media for the last few years, that we should "teach men not to rape". You don't teach a rapist anything, you lock them away for as long as their miserable lives will allow. I don't see the woke brigade reducing levels of rape to any serious extent, rapists are rapists and should be behind bars.

The answer has to be better policing in my view.

With modern forensic science and d n a etc,it would be difficult to get the wrong man. So my suggestion would be bring back capital punishment for murder and whole of life or rape or manslaughter,no parole for rapists, they die in jail. A harsher deterrent may make them think twice.