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Old 28th November 2019, 20:09   #41
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Old 28th November 2019, 22:31   #42
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A very interesting read, and it's raised a question of my own, especially the part about being over the "legal limit" for cannabis in your blood stream.

I've been suffering with a compressed disc in my back for over 6 months now.
After multiple doctors appointments and time off work, 3 sessions at a chiropractor ( which got me walking again ) and absolutely loads of tablets from the doctors, mainly painkillers - which while I was on them I'm unable to drive anyway, I finally had an MRI scan which the doctor concluded that I'm going to need an operation on my back to ease the issue. Note I didn't say cure the issue.
I am now currently waiting for an appointment from the spine specialist, which I have been told will be some point in the new year.

So, the painkillers that I'm on now are now upsetting my stomach. These aren't prescribed ones, but strong ones from the chemist. I can still drive while taking them.

I have been considering CBD oil as an alternative to the painkillers.
I would never dream of smoking cannabis, but have been giving the CBD oil some serious thought as I need to keep working and cant afford any more time off work.

So, if I do decide to go down this route ( which now I'm thinking isn't such a good idea ) Will run the risk of loosing my licence if I have a run in with the police and get tested?



So called CBD oil isn't cannabis or at least not the psycho active part (which is THC). Whether it would detect as 'cannabis intoxication' on a blood test I couldn't say and wouldn't know. I'm highly suspicisious of all the claims being made for CBD oil (might as well say 'snake oil'). But if you try it and it works for you then why not, it's entirely legal.


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I'm not a pot smoker and never have been but a lot of people I know are and have been for many years now. Members of my family also use it and after quite a few discussions (arguments) on the subject and challenged to do my own research I did some.
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Well Said, a much more convincing argument than some of the other less informed opinions being written on this thread.
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Old 28th November 2019, 23:02   #43
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I'm not a pot smoker and never have been but a lot of people I know are and have been for many years now. Members of my family also use it and after quite a few discussions (arguments) on the subject and challenged to do my own research I did some.

The first was the recollection of a BBC documentary quite a few years ago. This looked at the affect of cannabis and alcohol on driving. Those tested were both low and frequent users of both. All tested on a test track sober and all past. They were all tested again just over the limit with alcohol and every one failed the test. They were then sobered up and retested after all smoking the same amount of cannabis and they all past the driving test. Some actually improved their score and the conclusion was that cannabis made people more cautious and actually slowed them down. Because the test was done on a small number of people it could not be considered definitive but pointing to errors in our perceptions. More controlled studies in other countries have echoed these results.

Cannabis only smokers are not generally aggressive like drunks, they are not found blocking up A&E depts. causing problems for the staff at the week ends, fighting outside pubs and clubs and taxi ranks. The TCH seems to have the opposite effect so far less anti social problems. As one user said to me, booze makes you cocky, brave, aggressive, you will take on anyone, cannabis just chills you out. Have you ever seen someone fighting stoned or described as such? Well I haven't.

On health issues, well this is where it can be a case of positives and negatives. Is it more harmful than alcohol? probably less but some would say the same. It doesn't cause all the problems associated by alcohol but can and does seem to increase the risk of cancer. It appears to make smoking more dangerous.

The effect it has on people with psychotic mental issues is negative and these sufferers should avoid it at all costs, but are highly likely to be users. Research done recently in other countries especially the USA however show it can be very beneficial in the treatment of other mental health issues especially Bipolar. In fact it is prescribed in some States for this condition and for some it is the best stabiliser treatment available. I have personally seen the benefits that smoking cannabis has over UK prescribed medicines with someone with severe Bipolar. They are better just smoking cannabis than taking what in this country we prescribe only. I am not suggesting that those with Bipolar go out and buy some, I am just passing on what I have found. I have discussed this with mental health workers in the UK and more than one have said that their patients use it and benefit from it. I spoke to one senior Consultant who was very anti cannabis but did look at what research in other countries was saying. When we next spoke he said that the results and especially what was happening in the States was a bit of an eye opener, but he couldn't do anything with it as he would be breaking the law and could not see the UK government allowing him too look into it.

I know pensioners who suffer chronic pain and were not getting relief from their prescribed drugs. Their son got them some cannabis and now they take it every night and say they are much better. We see the news and hear what benefits that it is having on children with epilepsy.

I think its not as bad as we are led to believe and a lot of research needs to be done on finding out more about it, and take on board what has already been discovered around the world. I know there is a Parliamentary group who want to see more research and the legalisation of it for social use. They have looked into the arguments and foresee legislation will be passed within 10 years, some as as little as two.

I realise that my post will not be acceptable to many but I was challenged to look at cannabis and not just accept the official line and I think its less harmful than booze on the whole and has massive potential for medical use if only those who we put in charge would open their minds. To much evidence is now available to put an end to the stigma and that its on a par with accepted alcohol and probably has much more to offer.
I agree with you totally as a social worker and now Bi Pola sufferer.
Unless you have tried it and not felt it it is not as 'blown out of proportion' like it is. If you smoke, like drink then don't drive!!! All effects are gone the next day like alcohol with normal judgement required to drive a car. Just because cannabis is in your system for a number of days after a smoke, why should you be banned? Its like a bloke having a night out on Monday and being banned for driving by Friday

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Old 29th November 2019, 17:49   #44
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That's a problem "it just chills you out" happy relaxed nice fuzzy feeling? Not the ideal state of mind in a vehicle driver, "is that a red light or green, well don't worry its pretty" Drivers need to be alert and concentrated and I know there are good, bad and worse drivers on the road but cannabis use is not " sort of ok" Its another potential killer and should be treated much more severely. Chris S.
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That's a problem "it just chills you out" happy relaxed nice fuzzy feeling? Not the ideal state of mind in a vehicle driver, "is that a red light or green, well don't worry its pretty" Drivers need to be alert and concentrated and I know there are good, bad and worse drivers on the road but cannabis use is not " sort of ok" Its another potential killer and should be treated much more severely. Chris S.
Have you ever partaken in it? As what you are saying more like an acid trip to what I have heard. And that's the point. If you have never taken marijuana like I have, then how would you know what if feels like. It's not like on TV

As I said drink and drug driving is not acceptable before you take a car out, but marijuana clears your abilities like drinking alcohol when it is right to do so but just because it is in your blood system much longer has no comparison to you ability to drive on the same toll span as alcohol
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I have to echo Jays reply.

I refer to my post regarding the BBC report. The drivers didn't see pretty lights but on the whole drove more carefully on cannabis than off it. This has apparently been collaborated by further experiments. However I do not think someone under the influence should drive. My experience of being a passenger in regular users cars and vans the next day has been to see no concerns in their abilities. I. Have with work colleagues who I found out had been on coke the night before and took their keys off them and gave them a good ticking off.

The description given by mileshawk56 is typically that shown in the media that does not represent the effects cannabis gives. I've watched many a tv show with cannabis users and they say these sensationalized representations are rubbish and show the effects of the hard drugs commonly in use.

I don't do drugs even booze is a couple of times a year and then the odd glass so I cannot comment on personal experience but a few of those I have discussed it with have tried other drugs or been regular users of them in the past. These comments and those who only use and never used stronger drugs are those I have repeated here. Second hand info yes but that's what all research depends on with independent testing. For a long time cannabis use in this country has been demonized and I think the establishment has got locked into this. If today we were at the same place with alcohol I'm sure that would be illegal too and as it appears to be more dangerous than pot then under those rules should be, it's not it's socially acceptable to drink in moderation and for a lot of .people cool to binge on it and cost the nation millions sorting the problems created. If that's acceptable why isn't cannabis?
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Seems simple enough. There many reports from authoritative investigations that cannabis is a gateway drug that initiates rather than satiates. Nothing ever starts with the end result.

Ignoring empirical evidence is at best naive. A quick google supports.

In the case of alcohol you just drink more product more often and for longer. In the case of cannabis, social pressures combine to change product to serious mind altering poisons which leads to death. Or worse.

To be honest, I thought that argument was well established.
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I have to echo Jays reply.

I refer to my post regarding the BBC report. The drivers didn't see pretty lights but on the whole drove more carefully on cannabis than off it. This has apparently been collaborated by further experiments. However I do not think someone under the influence should drive. My experience of being a passenger in regular users cars and vans the next day has been to see no concerns in their abilities. I. Have with work colleagues who I found out had been on coke the night before and took their keys off them and gave them a good ticking off.

The description given by mileshawk56 is typically that shown in the media that does not represent the effects cannabis gives. I've watched many a tv show with cannabis users and they say these sensationalized representations are rubbish and show the effects of the hard drugs commonly in use.

I don't do drugs even booze is a couple of times a year and then the odd glass so I cannot comment on personal experience but a few of those I have discussed it with have tried other drugs or been regular users of them in the past. These comments and those who only use and never used stronger drugs are those I have repeated here. Second hand info yes but that's what all research depends on with independent testing. For a long time cannabis use in this country has been demonized and I think the establishment has got locked into this. If today we were at the same place with alcohol I'm sure that would be illegal too and as it appears to be more dangerous than pot then under those rules should be, it's not it's socially acceptable to drink in moderation and for a lot of .people cool to binge on it and cost the nation millions sorting the problems created. If that's acceptable why isn't cannabis?
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What planet are you one to say that. A joint is passed around. You don't get much for it and it is not as mind bending as alcohol.

I have seen people on cocaine and Chrystal Meths, a far worse drug that does cause death (never heard of someone dying on grass) and is ten time lethal driving about on. I would support a ban on that but the people I know still do it and don't get caught even on that from where I can see, unless obvious.
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What planet are you one to say that. A joint is passed around. You don't get much for it and it is not as mind bending as alcohol.

I have seen people on cocaine and Chrystal Meths, a far worse drug that does cause death (never heard of someone dying on grass) and is ten time lethal driving about on. I would support a ban on that but the people I know still do it and don't get caught even on that from where I can see, unless obvious.

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Have a look at the first stop on a simple google search - it gives you a straight forward answer from a wholly reputable and valid source.
www.drugrehab.com/guides/gateway-drugs

OK, if it's pick and choose time, apart from the fact that the linked page is at pains (repeatedly) to make sure that it says 'Theory' and 'Hypothesis' about gateway drugs - (and it specifically calls alcohol a gateway drug btw.)


It goes on to say (quite damningly for the gateway argument) "D.A.R.E. officials now admit that most people who smoke pot do not move on to harder drugs"


To put it simply just because marijuana precedes hard drugs doesn't mean that marijuana causes hard drug usage.


For instance let's look at one of the highlighted quotes on that page:


"The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse found that teens who use gateway drugs are 266 times more likely to develop a cocaine addiction than those who do not."


Does this mean that usage of so-called 'gateway drugs' cause cocaine addiction? No it doesn't it just means that a large number of cocaine users had a propensity for taking drugs, period. If it were true then it would be quoted as x% of gateway drug users will become cocaine addicts where x% is a large percentage > 50% - and this isn't so.
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