Go Back   The 75 and ZT Owners Club Forums > The 75 and ZT Owners Club Forums > Technical Help Forum
Register FAQ Image Gallery Members List Calendar
Notices

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
Old 7th September 2020, 13:23   #9
Blink
Posted a thing or two
 
Blink's Avatar
 
Rover 75 Saloon

Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Under the car
Posts: 1,840
Thanks: 210
Thanked 244 Times in 221 Posts
Default

Great post TC. I agree with Jon - it should be added to the HowTo section.

Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Cut View Post
Did this very job on my 1.8T last week. It will no doubt be a more fiddly job removing/refitting the pipe in a V6, but you'll need to make as much clear space around the firewall as you can get. The pipes are all clipped to the firewall in two places. There's a set of clips just inboard of the ABS unit where five pipes run vertically. The other set is nearer the centre of the firewall where the five pipes run across horizontally.
I've already got the old pipes out (not factory originals) - I mangled them in the process so they're of little use now for templates.





I've got good (ish) access to the firewall run from the modulator because there's no gearbox, drive shafts or anything else on the car.

Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Cut View Post
The pipe going to the RH front brake is the centre one. There's a third clip mounted on the 'chassis' near the wheel arch grommet. Winkling the pipe out and the new one in will be a frustrating task that gets easier as you find all the wrong ways to do it.
Frustrating is putting it mildly - see above pic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Cut View Post
The pipe at the wheel arch bracket flexi-connection may be best simply cut through against the union. You need to retain as much length as possible for matching up the new piping. The old connector nut will then respond easily to a standard socket. The vertical pipe section here has to be bent back upwards so it is horizontal and will pass into the engine bay through the two wing panels/grommet.
I cut them here - not close enough to the union - not that it matters now after my aforementioned mangling.



Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Cut View Post
This end is the easiest part of the job. You need a proper brake pipe spanner (11mm AF) like this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Draper-Br...72.m2749.l2649= to undo the pipe union.
I've got that Draper 10/11mm already - I bought it for the rear end unions last year.

Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Cut View Post
To make a new union you'll need a 10 x 1mm male pipe connector (short version) like these: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRAKE-PIP...72.m2749.l2649
You'll use two of these of course.
Is the 10x1mm fitting on the modulator end the same as the fitting on the hose union end - or are they different lengths?

I can't tell because I can't get the union end apart (pic above).

Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Cut View Post
This will depend on the state of things under the wheel arch. I renewed everything including the flexible hose. So apart from the male connector nut, I bought the box-shaped spring retainer that holds the pipe connector to the wheel arch bracket. You can get these for £1.98 a pair from your local Andrew Page shop (now Euro Car Parts) or online: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-MINI-...wAAOSwuh1eyWzF
The centre of the flexi-hose is clipped to the hub with a U-clip which I got from eBay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4X-Brake-...72.m2749.l2649
I've already got the box-shaped spring retainer and the U-clip (two of each).

I'm renewing everything - discs, calipers, flexible hoses - and the L-brackets in the wheel arches have already been de-rusted and painted.

Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Cut View Post
When you eventually get the old pipe in your hands, use it as a template for the new pipe. I found the best metod is to start with a 140cm length of straight pipe. One end should be prepard for flaring according to the supplied instructions. Flare the ABS end now. If you're happy with the flare, slot a connector nut onto the pipe and butt it to the flare and hold in place with a bit of insulating tape. You must do this before shaping the pipe. I have two scapped attempts to prove it!
Ok, understood.

- Cut 140cm of straight pipe
- Flare ABS end
- Put a fitting on pipe and tape it to ABS end

Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Cut View Post
Starting at the ABS connector, shape the first bend. It's very close to the nut. Once you're happy with this first bend, begin using the old pipe as a template by taping it to the new pipe. This way you don't have to handle separate pipes that seem to have a life of their own. Each time you make a new bend, tape the straight section to the old ppe section. I found it easiet to work two bends ahead of the taped section. Eventually, you'll have the old and new pipes taped together as exact copies. The free end section will be longer than the old one, but that's OK and can be trimmed to the correct length under the wheel arch.

Reverse the pipe winkling excercise to get the thing in position with the ABS connector sitting nicely in place. Clip the new pipe into the firewall clips and remember the one just near the grommet into the wheel arch.
The straight end sticking through to the wheel arch wll require bending carefully down towards the connector bracket. You only get one chance to cut it so ensure the swaged end will sit down into the flexi-pipe receiver. There's about half and inch of tolerance through the grommet, but try to ensure the pipe will sit reasonably well in the middle so it won't rub on the body panel.

Put the connector nut onto the pipe now and tape it out of the way while you prepare to cut and flare the pipe. the rest is pretty obvious and staright forward. Good luck.
I'll come back to this section and follow it piece by piece. The old pipe is NG for a template though so I'll try and make one with a core of 2.5mm mains cable instead. It might just work - at least I can practise winkling it in & out without wasting several feet of real pipe at every attempt.
Blink is offline   Reply With Quote
 


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 17:25.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Copyright © 2006-2023, The Rover 75 & MG ZT Owners Club Ltd