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Old 23rd October 2019, 16:17   #11
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So, Austin Electric will begin putting thousands of Jackson's batteries into electric vehicles next year, why is this not on the news?
Gagging order from big businesses probably.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 16:36   #12
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A gentleman came to a company I worked for about 12 years ago with a perpetual motion machine for generating electricity. If we wanted to see it demonstrated, we would have to go to Bulgaria to meet his associates.

As far as I am aware, limitless free power has yet to be made available.

I hope this amazing discovery is more successful.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 17:35   #13
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If a Tesla battery costs £30,000 and has a lifespan of 8 years or 120,000 mile guarantee range, and a Trevor Jackon battery costs £5,000 and will need changing every 1,500 miles, you will need to change the battery at least 80 times in 8 years to do the equivalent, that's a cost of £400,000 in 8 years.

... or have I lost the plot?

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Old 23rd October 2019, 18:24   #14
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If a Tesla battery costs £30,00 and has a lifespan of 8 years or 120,000 mile guarantee range, and a Trevor Jackon battery costs £5,000 and will need changing every 1,500 miles, you will need to change the battery at least 80 times in 8 years to do the equivalent, that's a cost of £400,000 in 8 years.

... or have I lost the plot?
You omitted that the Tesla costs you money to recharge it whereas this new battery does not recharge. So £30000 plus cost of electricity.
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Old 23rd October 2019, 18:46   #15
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You omitted that the Tesla costs you money to recharge it whereas this new battery does not recharge. So £30000 plus cost of electricity.
Doesn't it cost about 5p per mile to run a bottom of the range Tesla, so 120,000 miles would cost £6,000, that is still cheaper than £400,000 for 80 battery changes.

Plus there is the cost of paying whichever supermarket which gets the contract to change over the battery 80 times, quite frightening really. I would luv for Mr Jackson battery to do well, but the expense for the consumer is outrageous, unless I have got my sums wrong.

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Old 23rd October 2019, 20:18   #16
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Ah I thought there would be a drawback! 1500 miles would mean 3 packs a year in my Toyora as I do just over 3k. I dont earn enough top line for that lol!
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Ah I thought there would be a drawback! 1500 miles would mean 3 packs a year in my Toyora as I do just over 3k. I dont earn enough top line for that lol!

Yeah looking into it further suggests it would be better in aviation than cars for now with about the 8th weight of lithium-ion batteries.
I watched this video that explains it better.


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Its the retail price of the aluminium-air battery to be sold to the general public that's the problem, its too expensive.

If we take the average family annual mileage of around 6,000 miles, one would need to replace a Trevor Jackson battery 4 times in just 12 months, that would cost you £20,000 per year. Obviously there is no charging cost involved, but you would need to account for the price of each battery replacement after every 1,500 miles, plus the battery replacement labour charge, this would give you an average running cost of £3.33 per mile + the additional labour charge... I'm just throwing figures around, nothing written in stone.

If we compare those figures to a regular EV being used on the roads today at an average running cost of just 5p per mile, you can see how ridiculously expensive an aluminium-air battery vehicle would cost to run, even a petrol car averages at 12p per mile.

They recommend a Nissan Leaf battery to last 8 years or 100,000 miles, and Nissan have now brought down their price for a new battery to just under £5,000. When you compare that figure with having to purchase 4x aluminium-air batteries per year for 8 years, this would cost you a whopping £160.000 (32x batteries).

I agree with the video above, the aluminium-air battery would be a fantastic idea as a range extender, used in EV's to give an increased mile range when needed. Its pretty much safe to say these aluminium-air batteries are a lot cheaper to make than lithium-ion batteries, so they really need to carry the cheaper price tag to be able to succeed.

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Sounds like the way forward. Drawbacks I could see would include you can no longer just put a small amount of fuel in if you are on a tight budget and how much would you lose if you had say 50 miles worth of power left when you had to change cells as the next point is 60 miles away or you leave it to the last opportunity on purpose to get the maximum out of your cell and the next station has run out of cells.
Have 2 cells fitted...
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