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Old 20th April 2021, 07:13   #121
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I should imagine most towns & cities will be fast tracked to CAZ's now! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56807520
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Old 20th April 2021, 07:18   #122
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It’s not the cars or the Diesel that is at fault and causing the emissions.
It is the additives they put in the fuel that is the problem.
In the past Diesel partials were large and didn’t rise much higher than knee height at best, which is why the exhaust tail pipes were always pointing down to the ground. The only way of absorbing the particles was by breathing them in if you were unlucky enough to have the wind blow them up high enough.
Now the particles, thanks to the additives, are so small they float on the air and rise high up. They are also not only breathed in by more people but because of the size of them now, they’re absorbed through the skin.
Still diesel emissions are still far less harmful than unleaded fuel but as people still see diesels as black smoke machines, there the bad ones.
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Pushing the traffic to outskirts shopping centres and turning town centres into ghost towns full of charity and betting shops. The councils may have a rethink once they see their revenue stream disappear.
Sadly this isn't happening only in the UK. On mainland europe, these schemes are being introduced everywhere...

Brussels, Antwerp, Ghent, Amsterdam, Paris, barcelona, madrid, cities in italy and cities in germany all have these schemes.

U basically cannot drive the CDT/CDTI in the first 4 cities because they register everything with camera's. In the other cities u have to use stickers so u can still get away with it.

Rotterdam used to have a low emission zone as well, but they got rid of it because it didn't really have much of an impact because of the open space the city has between buildings, the particles don't seem to get stuck unlike in more congested cities with tight streets (they call them street canyons)

Sadly they're getting rid of diesels everywhere with higher taxes and by introduction of these zones... Even if u have a euro 4 diesel u can pay an extra tax of 365 euro per year to enter Antwerp & Ghent (365 euro per city so basically 730 euro!!!!)

It's sad really, because these cars are built to last (with proper maintenance of course) a CDT can go for 700.000 km's easily yet we have to get rid of it at 200.000 km's because of politics ...

it is what it is I guess
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Birmingham city council has launched a vehicle scrappage and travel credit scheme ahead of the CAZ opening on June 1st. https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/fle...cheme-launched
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Birmingham city council has launched a vehicle scrappage and travel credit scheme ahead of the CAZ opening on June 1st. https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/fle...cheme-launched
And, realistically, what use is £2000 towards the cost of a new car when you're on £30K or less to start with?

I, for one, will sit back and watch the City Centre die through lack of people visiting it. I wonder how long it'll be before the shops, restaurants, theatres, music venues etc. start shouting?
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Birmingham city council has launched a vehicle scrappage and travel credit scheme ahead of the CAZ opening on June 1st. https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/fle...cheme-launched
Interesting that the scrappage voucher will only be accepted by ONE dealership in Birmingham.
So much for price competition.
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And, realistically, what use is £2000 towards the cost of a new car when you're on £30K or less to start with?

I, for one, will sit back and watch the City Centre die through lack of people visiting it. I wonder how long it'll be before the shops, restaurants, theatres, music venues etc. start shouting?
It will be interesting to see the effects on services in inner city Bristol, my son’s boss will be adding £9 per person per day on all contracts within the zone to the customers.
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Sadly this isn't happening only in the UK. On mainland europe, these schemes are being introduced everywhere...

Brussels, Antwerp, Ghent, Amsterdam, Paris, barcelona, madrid, cities in italy and cities in germany all have these schemes.

U basically cannot drive the CDT/CDTI in the first 4 cities because they register everything with camera's. In the other cities u have to use stickers so u can still get away with it.

Rotterdam used to have a low emission zone as well, but they got rid of it because it didn't really have much of an impact because of the open space the city has between buildings, the particles don't seem to get stuck unlike in more congested cities with tight streets (they call them street canyons)

Sadly they're getting rid of diesels everywhere with higher taxes and by introduction of these zones... Even if u have a euro 4 diesel u can pay an extra tax of 365 euro per year to enter Antwerp & Ghent (365 euro per city so basically 730 euro!!!!)

It's sad really, because these cars are built to last (with proper maintenance of course) a CDT can go for 700.000 km's easily yet we have to get rid of it at 200.000 km's because of politics ...

it is what it is I guess

2025 will be the day the emissions brown stuff really hits the fan


I've been reading that the COO of Nissan has finally said it will be cheaper for car manufacturers to make BEV's than to make ICE vehicles that have to comply with Euro 7.


"Even the very latest iteration Euro 6d is so strict that even petrol-burning cars require a particulate filter to be fitted in Europe, and the Euro 7 standard (expected to go into effect around 2025 - 2026) will be even more stringent."
https://insideevs.com/news/506960/ni...-euro7-ice-ev/
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2025 will be the day the emissions brown stuff really hits the fan


I've been reading that the COO of Nissan has finally said it will be cheaper for car manufacturers to make BEV's than to make ICE vehicles that have to comply with Euro 7.


"Even the very latest iteration Euro 6d is so strict that even petrol-burning cars require a particulate filter to be fitted in Europe, and the Euro 7 standard (expected to go into effect around 2025 - 2026) will be even more stringent."
https://insideevs.com/news/506960/ni...-euro7-ice-ev/
Over here, In 2025 Euro 5 diesels will be banned as well. Euro 6 in 2027.

Really there's no point in buying a diesel now if u live here in belgium unless you're going to drive 25.000-30.000 km every year, only then it's worth it
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Over here, In 2025 Euro 5 diesels will be banned as well. Euro 6 in 2027.

Really there's no point in buying a diesel now if u live here in belgium unless you're going to drive 25.000-30.000 km every year, only then it's worth it



WoW! that's happening pretty quick there I see the EU bloc is planning to extend the carbon market to include road transport in July 2021 which will mean higher prices at the pumps as refineries will want to act fast to decarbonise fuel or pay lots of €uros for carbon credits . https://www.euractiv.com/section/tra...ort-buildings/
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