E10 fuel. Federation of British Historical Vehicle Clubs statement

[Dorset Bob]

Originally Posted by torque2me

Not in my neck of the woods (Hertford). I'll check with regard to Hatfield if we still have an Esso presence. I know that at the start of the A5 there is a big Esso site but it is all E5.

Kev

Rather confusing, but fuel containing 0% ethanol is labelled as E5, which covers fuels containing 0-5% ethanol.
We need to thank the European Standards for this.
You should be able to get Esso Supreme in Hertford, should you so wish.

This is what Esso currently say:
Esso super unleaded petrol (Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded 97 and Synergy Supreme+ 99 ) is ethanol free (Except in Devon, Cornwall, North Wales, North England and Scotland). We would therefore advise anyone who has concerns about the presence of ethanol in petrol to use Synergy Supreme+ – providing they do not fill up in Devon, Cornwall, North Wales, North England and Scotland. The European standard BS EN228 covers the requirements for 0-5% ethanol unleaded petrol, the labelling requirement for zero % ethanol is E5 (as is up to 5%), a E0 label doesn’t exist.

I have written to them to ask if this will still be the case when E10 is introduced.

[bl52krz]

Got to save the world though haven’t we? So catalytic cleaners will be destroyed. More mining for precious metals. Talk about a load of trumpery. Just as said above, more money for the rich again. How long are people going to take this rubbish?

[torque2me]

Originally Posted by Dorset Bob

Rather confusing, but fuel containing 0% ethanol is labelled as E5, which covers fuels containing 0-5% ethanol.
We need to thank the European Standards for this.
You should be able to get Esso Supreme in Hertford, should you so wish.

This is what Esso currently say:
Esso super unleaded petrol (Synergy Supreme+ Unleaded 97 and Synergy Supreme+ 99 ) is ethanol free (Except in Devon, Cornwall, North Wales, North England and Scotland). We would therefore advise anyone who has concerns about the presence of ethanol in petrol to use Synergy Supreme+ – providing they do not fill up in Devon, Cornwall, North Wales, North England and Scotland. The European standard BS EN228 covers the requirements for 0-5% ethanol unleaded petrol, the labelling requirement for zero % ethanol is E5 (as is up to 5%), a E0 label doesn’t exist.

I have written to them to ask if this will still be the case when E10 is introduced.

I've seen EN228 on pumps and also a BS number. I'll have to jot them down and rune the numbers past you.

Kev

[torque2me]

Originally Posted by bl52krz

Got to save the world though haven’t we? So catalytic cleaners will be destroyed. More mining for precious metals. Talk about a load of trumpery. Just as said above, more money for the rich again. How long are people going to take this rubbish?

Unfortunately the great unwashed will continue to swallow chicanery like this due to lack of knowledge and will power to take action. Something to do with being too busy trying to find the mortgage money. Perhaps we could get the Socialist Worker to ferment action????

Kev

[JohnnyBG]

"(Except in Devon, Cornwall, North Wales, North England and Scotland)"

Why? Surely there should be some explanation.

JohnnyBG

[Olde faithful]

Thank God i have a diesel engine, all that messing about and with no DPF and chain driven no belts the R75 Derv engine is a sound investment

[Dorset Bob]

Originally Posted by JohnnyBG

"(Except in Devon, Cornwall, North Wales, North England and Scotland)"

Why? Surely there should be some explanation.

JohnnyBG

It is due to the pipework structure that delivers fuel from the refinery at Fawley.
Esso own the largest privately owned underground pipework network, in the UK, that deliver fuel to terminals, such as Avonmouth (Bristol), Erdington (Birmingham), Purfleet (Essex)and Stanwell (near Heathrow in Middlesex).
Sadly, their infrastructure does not include areas such as Devon, Cornwall, North Wales, North England and Scotland and they are serviced by their 3rd party terminal suppliers.

As far as I am aware, no fuel is supplied from any refinery, that contains ethanol, due to it's highly corrosive properties on such pipework, and other substrates that has contact with it.

[BRG75]

Does this mean that either -

1. Esso's distribution pipework will become redundant.

2. Provided that you live (and travel) in an area supplied directly by Esso, our concerns
are unfounded / become academic.

Regards

Mike

[Briodyjl01]

im screwed then ......

nit everyone can afford the higher price of 'super' so i might have to take my classics off the road

[bl52krz]

I reckon some bright spark will come up with some additive that will negate the effects of ethanol. Any bets?