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Old 15th December 2021, 23:55   #41
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I think that ev's could become obsolete relatively quickly and replaced by diesel electric technology. A small diesel generator for on the go charging as required of a much smaller battery for electromotive traction could I think prove to be more practical, affordable and sustainable. Boris I think has had his pants pulled down on this issue by maybe his father, Stanley, and his wife together with the many activists who are vociferous on ideas but not so good on substance. There will I think be some pushback over ev's if not a backlash when reality begins to hit as the clock ticks down towards what seems to be overly short deadlines towards zero emissions. Personally I'm not sure that zero will prove to be affordable and practical for many.
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Old 16th December 2021, 13:41   #42
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I think that ev's could become obsolete relatively quickly and replaced by diesel electric technology. A small diesel generator for on the go charging as required of a much smaller battery for electromotive traction could I think prove to be more practical, affordable and sustainable. Boris I think has had his pants pulled down on this issue by maybe his father, Stanley, and his wife together with the many activists who are vociferous on ideas but not so good on substance. There will I think be some pushback over ev's if not a backlash when reality begins to hit as the clock ticks down towards what seems to be overly short deadlines towards zero emissions. Personally I'm not sure that zero will prove to be affordable and practical for many.

I very much doubt EV's will become obsolete any time soon, The majority of car manufacturers have spent €billions on retooling their car plants for EV manufacture, There are 38 battery/gigafactories in the process of being built right now across Europe & in the UK.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/07/03...gigafactories/



Nissan Sunderland is building one next door to their car plant, Britishvolt is building one in Teeside & a joint venture between Coventry council/Coventry airport are building a gigafactory on the Coventry airport site.


This is the list of car manufacturers who are phasing out ICE vehicles between 2024 - 2035.
JLR, BMW, VW, Volvo, Ford Europe, Mitsubishi, Honda, GM, Fiat, Peugeot, Citroen, Opel, Toyota, Daimler as the list stands right now.
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We will see. Currently they are neither affordable nor practical for the masses and it is the masses who will ultimately decide the outcome - not an expenses fiddler, an activist or a non-jobber. They together with the whole ev scenario are utterly dependent on subsidy from the masses, which in the case of ev's cannot be sustained forever. No subsidies and relatively few customers will collapse the whole house of cards regardless of how much of other people's money has been flung at the idea.
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We will see. Currently they are neither affordable nor practical for the masses and it is the masses who will ultimately decide the outcome - not an expenses fiddler, an activist or a non-jobber. They together with the whole ev scenario are utterly dependent on subsidy from the masses, which in the case of ev's cannot be sustained forever. No subsidies and relatively few customers will collapse the whole house of cards regardless of how much of other people's money has been flung at the idea.

That's the rub! they know full well they're not going to be affordable for the masses, They're going to be spending £billions on public transport & active travel infrastructure over the coming years, they want people out of private cars & onto trains, buses, trams & bicycles.
The new VED 'road pricing' plan is going to be made up of three different categories, Weight of vehicle, emissions & time of use to curtail congestion, Does this mean they're going to retrofit all cars with GPS black box to know when & where you've driven to bill you annually? “It should be based on a simple distance-driven model that considers vehicle weight, emissions and use case with discounts given to shared mobility solutions – such as car clubs, rental cars, buses and taxis – to incentive more sustainable travel choices.”
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/lat...o-drive-change

The latest from the COP 26 is they want all ICE cars to travel 30% less/annum to reduce emissions https://airqualitynews.com/2021/12/0...ions-on-track/ & a government transport minister wants an end to car ownership culture & join a car sharing club. https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/env...-car-ownership
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The latest from the COP 26 is they want all ICE cars to travel 30% less/annum to reduce emissions https://airqualitynews.com/2021/12/0...ions-on-track/ & a government transport minister wants an end to car ownership culture & join a car sharing club. https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/env...-car-ownership

Neither of these are vote winners, we have got used to having this freedom and I think any thought from the masses this will be restricted or cost them more will loose who ever brings it in the vote.
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Neither of these are vote winners, we have got used to having this freedom and I think any thought from the masses this will be restricted or cost them more will loose who ever brings it in the vote.

Yes agreed, I've read a few times in reports from the UK government & the European parliament saying this disruption is going to be more of a disruption than the first industrial revolution was
The 'Green Alliance' think tank who wrote that piece is a very influential group made up of Lords, Ladies, Gentlemen & independent environment specialist with quite a few sitting Conservative MP's, Their big cheese chairperson is Lord Howard, Michael Howard.
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Yes agreed, I've read a few times in reports from the UK government & the European parliament saying this disruption is going to be more of a disruption than the first industrial revolution was

If that is the case why not push another option like Hydrogen then? They have already got it to work in cars, it will work in aircraft, homes and even ticks the green box. No crazy lengths of time charging up or putting a demand on the grid that it wont handle. Apart from the money that already has been waisted on the EV option it has to be the logical step forward especially as they are already predicting a problem.


Another electric problem is forgeteting to charge them up, two doors down from me his daughter has something French and electric, she forgets to charge it when she gets home so has to borrow her Mothers ICE car so she is not late for work, it has got to the stage her father is putting it on charge for her because she keeps fogetting. At least with a liquid fuel it only needs a Jerry can to get you out of that problem not an hour or more sitting.
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Another electric problem is forgeteting to charge them up, two doors down from me his daughter has something French and electric, she forgets to charge it when she gets home so has to borrow her Mothers ICE car so she is not late for work, it has got to the stage her father is putting it on charge for her because she keeps fogetting. At least with a liquid fuel it only needs a Jerry can to get you out of that problem not an hour or more sitting.
Be fair though, that's not a problem with electric cars, but a problem with the owner. How hard is it to get in the habit of plugging it in? No harder than getting used to locking it when you get out, or putting a seatbelt on when you get in.
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Compared with when I was still at work, my milage has reduced by 85%, why should I be penalised?

What about those who cannot cycle, walk and must still travel from time to time. Public transport comes nowhere near my front door, the next street or anyway near enough. My nearest Hospital is 2 bus rides and 1.5 hours time. The cost of investment in enough public transport is not sustainable, even London has a near £2bn black hole at present.

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Be fair though, that's not a problem with electric cars, but a problem with the owner.

Yes I agree but with an ICE powered vehicle a lack of fuel is remedied in a couple of mins.


The mind set will need to change a lot, the wife offen leaves her ICE car with enough fuel for a couple of trips to the Supermarket or a trip to work. When she goes further afield I am often sent to fill it before she leaves. Planning ahead for longer journeys will need to be a thing, maybe we will have to leave these vehicles fully charged at all times just incase?
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