Energy bills - Page 29

Borg Warner · 27th April 2022, 07:41

Had a "conversation" with an "expert" with regards to my lastest bill last week. Poor lad couldn't explain what was happening on it, he ended up saying it was because we are being transferred onto another accounting platform and that I had nothing to worry about.

I'll keep my eye on it, at present I'm showing in credit. At least I'm not reliant on some dodgy bit of kit sending inaccurate readings via an unreliable communication network, so it could be worse.

wraymond · 27th April 2022, 07:58

One of my neighbours calls it Pandora's Box.

Dashnine · 27th April 2022, 08:06

Since 2013, TVs must not consume more than 0.5 Watts in standby or in off mode, but in comparison to the usage when turned on this usage is negligible (I appreciate negligible gains are what we're trying to eliminate!).

It'd be far more efficient to watch TV for an hour less each day (especially adding savings from cable/satellite boxes and routers), that'll be the next thing they're telling us to do.

SD1too · 27th April 2022, 12:08

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Originally Posted by Dashnine

Since 2013, TVs must not consume more than 0.5 Watts in standby or in off mode ... this usage is negligible ...

It certainly is!

Consider a television and an external Freeview receiver each consuming 0.5 watts in standby. That's a total of 1.0 watt which in electricity charging terms is 0.001 kWh. Multiplying this by 24 hours gives 0.024 kWh per day or 8.76 kWh per year. At a unit rate of 33p including VAT (ref. Lancpudn's tables posted earlier), turning off this TV and Freeview receiver completely would save a whopping £2.89 per year.

As can be seen, standby consumption is not the culprit. It's heating appliances which can make useful savings.

Simon

MSS · 27th April 2022, 13:22

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Originally Posted by SD1too

It certainly is!

Consider a television and an external Freeview receiver each consuming 0.5 watts in standby. That's a total of 1.0 watt which in electricity charging terms is 0.001 kWh. Multiplying this by 24 hours gives 0.024 kWh per day or 8.76 kWh per year. At a unit rate of 33p including VAT (ref. Lancpudn's tables posted earlier), turning off this TV and Freeview receiver completely would save a whopping £2.89 per year.

As can be seen, standby consumption is not the culprit. It's heating appliances which can make useful savings.

Simon

And, of course, the fridge/freezer which are on 24/7 and operating for significant time during each 24 hour period.

Borg Warner · 28th April 2022, 15:50

I've just had my energy rebate courtesy of that very nice Mr. Sunak and equally nice Mr. Johnson.

Sadly no elections in my neck of the woods next week so I'll not be able to express my deep and heartfelt gratitude.

torque2me · 28th April 2022, 16:13

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Originally Posted by Borg Warner

I've just had my energy rebate courtesy of that very nice Mr. Sunak and equally nice Mr. Johnson.

I thought it was a loan? Have I been mislead?

Kev

wraymond · 28th April 2022, 16:20

I'm searching for an easy way to either decline it or, at least, send it back.

Whatever they say, because you have to pay it back (without interest even) it is in fact 'indebted' so a loan. I don't flippin' want a loan noted against my name.

I, we, have never borrowed any money from anybody. So, my carefully planned life is despoiled by these charlatans. And I am very very angry. I hope one of them, or even two, have the nerve to knock on my door....looking for votes or anything else...

torque2me · 28th April 2022, 16:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by wraymond

I'm searching for an easy way to either decline it or, at least, send it back.

Whatever they say, because you have to pay it back (without interest even) it is in fact 'indebted' so a loan. I don't flippin' want a loan noted against my name.

I, we, have never borrowed any money from anybody. So, my carefully planned life is despoiled by these charlatans. And I am very very angry. I hope one of them, or even two, have the nerve to knock on my door....looking for votes or anything else...

My council does not issue the funds unless applied for!

Kev

SD1too · 28th April 2022, 17:04

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Originally Posted by wraymond

I, we, have never borrowed any money from anybody.

That's very impressive Ray to have got through life without having a mortgage or a credit card.

Simon

27th April 2022, 07:58	#282
wraymond This is my second home 75 Auto 2.5 SE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westcliff on Sea Posts: 5,193 Thanks: 423 Thanked 1,680 Times in 1,014 Posts	One of my neighbours calls it Pandora's Box. __________________ member no. 235

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Dashnine Regular poster MG ZT 260 #442 in XPower Grey Join Date: Mar 2022 Location: Warwick Posts: 61 Thanks: 4 Thanked 14 Times in 12 Posts	Since 2013, TVs must not consume more than 0.5 Watts in standby or in off mode, but in comparison to the usage when turned on this usage is negligible (I appreciate negligible gains are what we're trying to eliminate!). It'd be far more efficient to watch TV for an hour less each day (especially adding savings from cable/satellite boxes and routers), that'll be the next thing they're telling us to do. __________________ MG ZT 260 #442 in XPower Grey and Cupra Formentor Hybrid VZ2

28th April 2022, 16:20	#288
wraymond This is my second home 75 Auto 2.5 SE Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Westcliff on Sea Posts: 5,193 Thanks: 423 Thanked 1,680 Times in 1,014 Posts	I'm searching for an easy way to either decline it or, at least, send it back. Whatever they say, because you have to pay it back (without interest even) it is in fact 'indebted' so a loan. I don't flippin' want a loan noted against my name. I, we, have never borrowed any money from anybody. So, my carefully planned life is despoiled by these charlatans. And I am very very angry. I hope one of them, or even two, have the nerve to knock on my door....looking for votes or anything else... __________________ member no. 235

27th April 2022, 07:41	#281
Borg Warner I really should get out more....... None Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2,579 Thanks: 494 Thanked 657 Times in 402 Posts	Had a "conversation" with an "expert" with regards to my lastest bill last week. Poor lad couldn't explain what was happening on it, he ended up saying it was because we are being transferred onto another accounting platform and that I had nothing to worry about. I'll keep my eye on it, at present I'm showing in credit. At least I'm not reliant on some dodgy bit of kit sending inaccurate readings via an unreliable communication network, so it could be worse.

28th April 2022, 15:50	#286
Borg Warner I really should get out more....... None Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2,579 Thanks: 494 Thanked 657 Times in 402 Posts	I've just had my energy rebate courtesy of that very nice Mr. Sunak and equally nice Mr. Johnson. Sadly no elections in my neck of the woods next week so I'll not be able to express my deep and heartfelt gratitude.