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[torque2me]

Originally Posted by SCP440

Apparently about 75% of vehicle recoveries at the moment are from EV's. Most are running out of charge or cant find a working charge point.
The problem is as I see it the amount of time it takes to charge compared with the amount of time it takes to refill the tank with a fossil fuel. If the charge time was even double the time to refill with a Hydrocarbon we would need less charge points, with the charge time being well over 5 times and could be 10 times we are going to need a lot of charging points not the half a dozen or so that seems to be the normal at a lot of service stations. Bank Holidays are going to be a knightmare, I can see it now a queue to even get into service stations to charge to get home.

Totally agree with you Steve. The problems are apparent to the sane amongst the people of these Islands but not to the eco warriors. I can't see Big Oil being the monetary backers of the eco mob but someone or organization must be. The queue's happend Christmas 2022 and will with such getaway days (like Bank Hols).

Kev

[torque2me]

Originally Posted by Costa Fortuna

This is exactly what I have tried to explain to people - it's ok at the moment, EV's are a niche product in the overall scheme of things - it's diesel power that keeps the country rolling, huge fleets of vans and trucks. Putting aside trucks over 3.5t because of their specific requirements, virtually all commercially used vehicles are diesel and as are a very large percentage of private cars.

I started life in a world which diesel vehicles accounted for only 5% of registrations. There were no 44 or 38 tonne vehicles in regular use (I think 32 tonne was the upper limit except for specialist vehicles).

Petrol was the main seller with diesel being a dearer option (probably as much to do with engine manufacturing volumes). Buses, coaches and lorries all had at least petrol versions. London Transport used almost exclusively diesel (AEC).

If you consider how much diesel energy is used by these vehicles every day there is no way the power stations, transmission lines, primary and secondary substations can take over the requirement. The essentials just aren't there and will takes years to deploy.

Agreed that is so at the present time but future....who knows?

Already the cracks are beginning to show - drivers disappointed at the real world range of EV's.

Do you mean the sales(person) didn't tell the prospective mark that cold weather will reduce mileage by 20% and the use of heaters and lights maybe another 15-20%. Naughty of the sales "team". If we get an education system in place (like the one the UK had to the end of the 70's) the prospective buyers will be able to read the science and reviews of battery technology.

They are ideal for city centre delivery work and perhaps that's where they should be encouraged.

Manufacturers have made great strides in recent years to clean up the internal combustion engine and no doubt will continue to do so.

I fear the Green Debate is just a smoke and mirrors taxation tool going to used by the likes of Mayor Khan and his ilk. Leafy suburbs are not going to have the same level of noxious gases etc as the Strand.

The UK causes 1% of world pollution.

I'm old enough to remember the industrial north in the days before the Clean Air Act of (I think) 1968. Despite of ongoing industrialisation look how different the environment is today. Greta Thunberg would have collapsed into a permanent catatonic state.

Rant over, Matron's leading me away.

And me!

Kev

[Bogbrush82]

Originally Posted by torque2me

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Do you mean the sales(person) didn't tell the prospective mark that cold weather will reduce mileage by 20% and the use of heaters and lights maybe another 15-20%. Naughty of the sales "team". If we get an education system in place (like the one the UK had to the end of the 70's) the prospective buyers will be able to read the science and reviews of battery technology.

The salesman also didn't tell the buyer that charging it over 80% or letting it go under 30% could damage the batteries.

[Lancpudn]

Originally Posted by CDT Player

The whole EV thing is just a fad there is fossil free petrol on the way along with hydrogen, running on food waste etc.

People aren't getting the range plus EV's are worst for the environment.

The ban on new petrol/diesel cars won't happen, the EU were set to ban the sale of new petrol/diesels in 2035 but Germany, Italy, Poland & Bulgaria have now blocked it.

Looks like Brussels is making a e-fuel exemption for Germany to save the combustion ban there in 2035, 2030 in blighty,


"The new declaration would change the rules that determine what kinds of cars can take to the road in Europe so that certain vehicles that can only burn e-fuels are permitted after an effective ban on new combustion engine automobiles enters into force, said one of the people, who asked not to be identified because the matter is private. And given that e-fuels are molecularly identical to conventional fuels, extra technologies or fuel additives would have to be incorporated to ensure new cars cannot use banned fuels after 2035, the person said." https://todaynewspost.com/auto-news/...stion-car-ban/

[torque2me]

Originally Posted by Bogbrush82

The salesman also didn't tell the buyer that charging it over 80% or letting it go under 30% could damage the batteries.

Good point Boggie, but a post (and my knowledge) loses impact if every fact is included. Thanks for pointing out that very important fact to the forum. Now we need it plastered over the glass of the dealership showrooms.

Kev

[torque2me]

Originally Posted by Lancpudn

Looks like Brussels is making a e-fuel exemption for Germany to save the combustion ban there in 2035, 2030 in blighty,


"The new declaration would change the rules that determine what kinds of cars can take to the road in Europe so that certain vehicles that can only burn e-fuels are permitted after an effective ban on new combustion engine automobiles enters into force, said one of the people, who asked not to be identified because the matter is private. And given that e-fuels are molecularly identical to conventional fuels, extra technologies or fuel additives would have to be incorporated to ensure new cars cannot use banned fuels after 2035, the person said." https://todaynewspost.com/auto-news/...stion-car-ban/

So, as that is unlikely to be workable in practice, we have a situation to which I eluded to earlier in that the rest of the EU (and the UK) has to exempt the German auto industry to enable it to be top dog until it restructures for EV when it will remain top dog??????

Kev

[Lancpudn]

Originally Posted by torque2me

So, as that is unlikely to be workable in practice, we have a situation to which I eluded to earlier in that the rest of the EU (and the UK) has to exempt the German auto industry to enable it to be top dog until it restructures for EV when it will remain top dog??????

Kev

Yes big brouhaha going on over it, Even if this goes through there will only be enough e-fuels available for a fraction of the vehicles in the EU/UK for decades to come & that's if it's manufactured by renewable methods.
Transport & buildings have now been separated from the main ETS (emission trading scheme) & now have their own ETS2.


EU legislators are currently working on the ETS 2 (emission trading scheme) market for 'transportation and housing', There will still be 150 million older petrol/diesel vehicles on the roads across EU/UK after the petrol/diesel ban. The ETS 2 will be a cap-and-trade auction scheme with limited CO2 allowances limiting emissions of old and new vehicles.
https://www.transportenvironment.org...ransport-mean/

[torque2me]

Thanks for the pointers Lancpudn, nice to know about these events which will hit us in a short time. Hope someone somewhere will put it all into plain jargon to help Numpties like me!

Kev