Help me with a 75 or Jag XF dilemma? - Page 3

pernix · 12th August 2015, 22:35

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Originally Posted by Astraeus

Have to admit that this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jaguar-XF-...item43e0beb4b7

Looks very nice..

Not a 75 though...

have you read the last paragraph in the description £2000 for cambelt change inc service

makes a 75 v6 belt change look a bargain

Anon3 · 12th August 2015, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Avulon

Is it cost that will drive your decision or performance? If it's cost then remember you've had 11000 miles for £2200 (+fuel) from the 75. Spending £10,000 on an XF you'd expect to get.... 50 thousand miles without any further cost except what you save on fuel (though if you are going to use that performance don't expect the 47mpg being quoted by Parkers!).

Performance-wise is 0-60 that important to you? Are you really going to floor that XF and get that 6-8 seconds time more often than not? I doubt it, you'll probably be using somewhere around what you'd get out of a 190 without even using full throttle on the 190. Go trade your 2.0 v6 for a a 190 and pocket the £9000 saved to spend not only on fuel and servicing but on tarting it up, drive it like it's meant to be driven (yes rev it!). You could always have a 'performance evaluation reset' by going and driving any normal (no hot hatches!) 1.4 for a month....

Of course if you just fancy having a Jag and have £10,000 to spend for a more 'modern' car and fancy the XF then buy it - the heart wants what the heart wants after all. Myself I quite like the XFs and would have one if they came down to the level of a top price 75/ZT (excluding v8 and dealers with more hope than sense) - But I'd prefer the XKR

Ah, a superb answer and one I was looking for that counters the "go down the XF road".

The truth is, I don't want massive performance, more some that means I don't have to hit kickdown when I'm entering the M6 at J5, to try and get in front of Artics, that simply will not slow to let you on, at 6.30 am!

I'm a massive fan of grunt, which is why I was considering a diesel, but point noted, along with Astraeus'.

I'll look into the XK, as the XF does nothing for me when I look at it.

chipsceola · 12th August 2015, 22:49

I drive my sons XF 3.0 D from time to time, my R75 1.8T has an 0-60 time of 9.2 secs, the XF with twin turbo does it much, much quicker ..... but it has a DPF that regularly needs clearing (constant 40+ mph for circa 15/20 miles to burn off deposits) but at 80K region they need changing.

Only last week end a new DPF (80grm ash) front disks & pads + oil & filters cost £960.00 with labour, and that's mates rates, a Jaguar dealership could be easily double that figure.

Used over similar mileages they both average around 25/30mpg around town with some longer trips, one diesel the other petrol, and which do I prefer to drive? My own Rover 75 1.8T Tourer, better vision and I suppose more familiar after 5+ faithful years service.

VVC-Geeza · 12th August 2015, 22:51

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Originally Posted by Anon3

Truth be told, I find driving my Rover similar to driving a barge, where you have to pre-empt everything, in hitting the throttle 2 seconds earlier than you normally would, it's that under-powered (but in good tune).
Moving up to a 2.5 would be a good move, but I'm not sure I see the future in it.
A bit more grunt, with similar fuel consumption?

Have you considered a 1.8T with all the goodies?

Especially the one from Z&F tuning.204 bhp + lightweight engine = A lively barge.Vroom tishhh

coolguy · 12th August 2015, 23:01

Sadly no Jaguar post 2006 actually looks like a Jaguar, which is why I run 9 Jags and 1 Daimler, the newest of which is 2004. That said, I still love my 75s and ZTs and shall continue to campaign them. Modern jags may be "cheap", but are expensive to service and exorbitant if they go wrong, which they do! If you can only run one car, by all means go for a Jag, but do not be seduced by the supposed economy of the newer one. My 4 litre V8 twin supercharged Daimler does 0-60 in 5.3 seconds, yet returns 28mpg on a run. Every extra includes heated reclining rear seats, and yet I picked it up for pennies 3 months ago. At a third of what you thinking of spending, why not live a little?!

stevenicks · 13th August 2015, 08:55

I agree when you say that our cars maybe not be cheap to run but one thing is certain is that they are not expensive to buy.

Steve

Neil1 · 13th August 2015, 09:56

I must admit I do like the XF but I wouldn't buy one, for me the best Jaguar's were the XJ's.

You say you are not happy with your 2 litre Rover 75?

Have you considered either of the diesel options, the Rover 75 diesel or the MG ZT version?

Neil

itchyfeet · 13th August 2015, 10:52

I would go for the Jaguar. More modern and higher quality luxury brand. Been looking at Jaguar myself. Lovely cars. S-Types are stunning. XF is beautiful.

Leyland Worldmaster · 13th August 2015, 10:59

Buy an XF and take it to Lates600 in Rugby for service and repair. He has one and so it's a no brainer really! Good luck with your search!

aguy · 13th August 2015, 13:03

I doubt if the Jaguar sported it's makers name 'Tata' anybody would want one

But to be fair, I don't understand the gripes about our MG/Rover cars.
Why would anyone buy one and expect modern day performance or equipment.

The whole point of owning a Rover 75 for me is that I have a car I love. That retro styling and gliding ride is just what I want. I know the performance, or lack of, and fuel consumption. I know about Belts, thermostats, inlet manifolds, suspension etc. , as I looked into all that before buying. As I would have if buying a Ford Fiesta.

Truth is we all buy what we want and what makes us happy. Costs don't really come into it as a £10k car today will in 5 years shed money like it's going out of fashion and a ZT/75 will actually cost less over the same period.

12th August 2015, 22:49	#23
chipsceola This is my second home Jaguar XF 3.0D Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Southampton Posts: 4,364 Thanks: 119 Thanked 509 Times in 426 Posts	I drive my sons XF 3.0 D from time to time, my R75 1.8T has an 0-60 time of 9.2 secs, the XF with twin turbo does it much, much quicker ..... but it has a DPF that regularly needs clearing (constant 40+ mph for circa 15/20 miles to burn off deposits) but at 80K region they need changing. Only last week end a new DPF (80grm ash) front disks & pads + oil & filters cost £960.00 with labour, and that's mates rates, a Jaguar dealership could be easily double that figure. Used over similar mileages they both average around 25/30mpg around town with some longer trips, one diesel the other petrol, and which do I prefer to drive? My own Rover 75 1.8T Tourer, better vision and I suppose more familiar after 5+ faithful years service. __________________ Chips

13th August 2015, 08:55	#26
stevenicks This is my second home MG ZT 180 Auto / Rover 75 2.0 Diesel Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Brecon. Posts: 7,465 Thanks: 3,297 Thanked 1,666 Times in 1,264 Posts	I agree when you say that our cars maybe not be cheap to run but one thing is certain is that they are not expensive to buy. Steve Last edited by stevenicks; 13th August 2015 at 09:35..

13th August 2015, 09:56	#27
Neil1 I really should get out more....... MG ZT-T CDTI Auto Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Newton Abbot Posts: 2,624 Thanks: 1,342 Thanked 518 Times in 425 Posts	I must admit I do like the XF but I wouldn't buy one, for me the best Jaguar's were the XJ's. You say you are not happy with your 2 litre Rover 75? Have you considered either of the diesel options, the Rover 75 diesel or the MG ZT version? Neil __________________ Rover 75 and MG ZT: The Complete Story

13th August 2015, 10:59	#29
Leyland Worldmaster This is my second home Audi A2 1.4TDI Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Avec the Penguins! Posts: 11,469 Thanks: 3,355 Thanked 1,622 Times in 1,057 Posts	Buy an XF and take it to Lates600 in Rugby for service and repair. He has one and so it's a no brainer really! Good luck with your search! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] 🏓

13th August 2015, 13:03	#30
aguy I really should get out more....... Rover 75 Connoisseur SE 2.5 V6 Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: CLEETHORPES Posts: 2,108 Thanks: 833 Thanked 748 Times in 511 Posts	I doubt if the Jaguar sported it's makers name 'Tata' anybody would want one But to be fair, I don't understand the gripes about our MG/Rover cars. Why would anyone buy one and expect modern day performance or equipment. The whole point of owning a Rover 75 for me is that I have a car I love. That retro styling and gliding ride is just what I want. I know the performance, or lack of, and fuel consumption. I know about Belts, thermostats, inlet manifolds, suspension etc. , as I looked into all that before buying. As I would have if buying a Ford Fiesta. Truth is we all buy what we want and what makes us happy. Costs don't really come into it as a £10k car today will in 5 years shed money like it's going out of fashion and a ZT/75 will actually cost less over the same period. __________________ HARRY.

12th August 2015, 23:01	#25
coolguy Coolguy Rover 75 CDT Tourer Auto, Rover 75 2.0 Connoisseur Auto, MG ZT 2.5 Auto and MG ZT Cdti Auto (Monogra Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Finedon Posts: 1,899 Thanks: 933 Thanked 638 Times in 430 Posts	Sadly no Jaguar post 2006 actually looks like a Jaguar, which is why I run 9 Jags and 1 Daimler, the newest of which is 2004. That said, I still love my 75s and ZTs and shall continue to campaign them. Modern jags may be "cheap", but are expensive to service and exorbitant if they go wrong, which they do! If you can only run one car, by all means go for a Jag, but do not be seduced by the supposed economy of the newer one. My 4 litre V8 twin supercharged Daimler does 0-60 in 5.3 seconds, yet returns 28mpg on a run. Every extra includes heated reclining rear seats, and yet I picked it up for pennies 3 months ago. At a third of what you thinking of spending, why not live a little?!

13th August 2015, 10:52	#28
itchyfeet Loves to post MG ZT+ CDTi Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 475 Thanks: 81 Thanked 72 Times in 58 Posts	I would go for the Jaguar. More modern and higher quality luxury brand. Been looking at Jaguar myself. Lovely cars. S-Types are stunning. XF is beautiful.