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Old 1st November 2019, 16:30   #1
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Default Are EVs really the answer in the future? I do not think so.

Over on other car enthusiasts' sites, interesting discussions on this subject confirm how I see the reality of the future for transport of people and goods.

The forceful winds of change are blowing but people are leaning in the wrong direction as a result.

German Automotive Industrial Base have BIG concerns. Consider what is written here:~

Germany is Having an Existential Crisis About Cars



How do others here see the future ?
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Old 1st November 2019, 16:40   #2
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A curious mixture of A. Scargill, Michael Foot and Lenin. A great rant, but I bet he's building an Arc in his shed.
Germany is in trouble, in fact teetering on the brink, but it stems mainly from too much reliance on one industry in the face of technology advances to finance itself. Coupled with the Euro in a wheelbarrow the coffers are depleting. Not dissimilar to the 1930's. Add that to friction from AfD and the seeds are set for upheaval if they are not careful.

As for EV's, bring it on. I can see competition from Hydrogen powered vehicles as well and there's quite a lot of it about too. Plus, the energy locked up in one single atom is phenomenal when compared to conventional electricity generation.
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Old 1st November 2019, 17:56   #3
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For my part, I am looking forward to the day I can afford an EV that will get me from A to B without the inconvenience that the current technology and infrastructure apparently provide. I think you would have to recognise that whatever its causes, climate change is real, and at a rate that humanity is struggling to adapt to. While I am old enough to take the complacent attitude that it probably won't affect me that badly, the sooner we stop adding to the planet's atmospheric energy, the more chance we have of having the time to adapt to the ever more extreme weather events that will reduce our advanced technological world to submerged rubble, and leave our children spend their lives trying to cope with results of our generation consumption-driven and self-indulgent indulgent lives. No wonder a highly intelligent 16 year old is leading her non- compliant rebels to take actions that will hopefully shake the complacency of so many of us older folk. Are we going to carry on dancing on the deck of the Titanic because somebody said it was unsinkable? There may actually still be time to plug the leak, or close the bulkhead doors.
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This is making a lot of sense to me.
The EV technology is just not up to the job of transportation of any kind let alone the huge investment in charging points in streets where you can’t park your car even 50 metres from you house. A friend has just bought a Hyundai hybrid which makes some sense with a 1.6 litre petrol and EV technology combined.
I think back to my Scimitar 3 litre GTE. Fuel spark and compression and it would run all day long. No electronic sensors of gimmicks. Motoring in its simplest form. Add to the fact it ran cleaner than a lot of cars put through the emissions test, the MOT garages loved its ease of testing. Very little to go wrong. All I added was electronic ignition to replace contact points. Improved it overnight with better reliability and smoother running as timing was always spot on.
Have we now seen the best of what a motor car should be? Have we not gone into a period of over complicated and unnecessary gimmicks. The wheel has been the same shape since it was first made. Are we really improving the motor car ability and future viability? I don’t think so.
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MG John said:"Meantime, I will continue to enjoy my Petrol Turbo MGs and Rovers until such time as they send the big strong geezers in white coats after me...". Except it will be the be the big strong geezers in the dark blue uniforms and stab vests! For my part, I am looking forward to the day I can afford an EV that will get me from A to B without the inconvenience that the current technology and infrastructure apparently provide. I think you would have to recognise that whatever its causes, climate change is real, and at a rate that humanity is struggling to adapt to. While I am old enough to take the complacent attitude that it probably won't affect me that badly, the sooner we stop adding to the planet's atmospheric energy, the more chance we have of having the time to adapt to the ever more extreme weather events that will reduce our advanced technological world to submerged rubble, and leave our children spend their lives trying to cope with results of our generation consumption-driven and self-indulgent indulgent lives. No wonder a highly intelligent 16 year old is leading her non- compliant rebels to take actions that will hopefully shake the complacency of so many of us older folk. Are we going to carry on dancing on the deck of the Titanic because somebody said it was unsinkable? There may actually still be time to plug the leak, or close the bulkhead doors.
Andrew, could you please turn out the lights if you are the last one out

Greta Thunberg if she wasn't a singularly minded would see there is little to be gained in mining huge amounts of scarce minerals to create EV batteries, batteries that are hugely expensive to recycle.

Quite contrary to being "robbed of her childhood" as claimed, it should be noted that people who live with ASD often focus on a particular subject, often without seeing the larger picture.


Apart from anything else, there isn't the infrastructure in place to charge these EV, another little snippet the roll out "smart meters", these are very important to allow the national grid to be relieved at peak times by virtue of enforced remotely controlled brownouts.


If there is to be a roll out of EV it should be driven by market forces, and not blinkered politicos with vested interests.

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EV is not going to solve any problem, you get nothing for nothing, you get nothing for nothing and Dieselgate should have opened peoples eyes???? The biggest problem in the world is overpopulation and if we ignore it "we are all doomed Captain Mannering" and electric cars/or whathaveyou are going to have no good effect-they are polluting from start to finish. Chris S.
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Sad fact is that one North European uses around 100 times the resources that a sub-Saharan African does. Ideally, we all stop using anything that is not naturally renewable, and adopt sustainable life-styles. But unfortunately, we, as a society, are hooked on consumption, and taught that it is our duty to contribute to, and ensure economic growth through hard work and consumption, by our political leaders, and the industrial entrepreneurs whose vested interests we contribute disproportionately to. I have often wondered by what chance, I happened to be born into one of the materially richest societies ever seen, instead of some fly-blown, impoverished country of the third world. It is our massive population explosion, and yes, industrial and scientific progress, that has most affected all parts of the planet, and destabilised and ruined stable and sustainable cultures such as the Native American Indians, the Aboriginal peoples of the southern hemisphere, and the nomadic tribesmen of African and Siberian plains, in the name of huge profits. Every advance we have made, has also brought huge costs to humanity, and are we really any happier than peoples living similar lives to their forbears, on the same land, with the same culture they had?
We have opened Pandora's box, and left the lid off for a long time. It is going to prove very difficult to put the lid back on. Revolution is not the answer, you just get back to where you started from.
Evolution, but quick, is what we need.
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There is an immaculate, low mileage Jeep Grand Cherokee with a 4.7 V8 just down the road from me. It has an MOT and runs as it should. Price £900.00 If only I lived in Saudi!


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If that reduced consumption most affected those who over-consume the most, we should applaud it, and tell the government they are doing everything right, but can we please do even more to reduce production and consumption? But in reality, it is a sign that the poorest can't afford the basics, let alone non-essentials, while their rich employers cry crocodile tears, tell them there will have to be redundancies, then retire to their mansions to count their riches. Years ago, we were promised that automation would bring us consumer heaven and a shorter working week, with plenty of wealth and leisure for all. Instead, it has allowed owners to employ fewer workers, and pocket the profits from their productivity. Having paid for manufacturing robots that can work accurately, without fatigue, 24/7, they have the ability to manufacture for the world, and not be bothered by troublesome workers rights, unions and the like. So the rich get richer, and the poor only have a job if they can work more cheaply than a robot. Brave new world - I want to get off!
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If that reduced consumption most affected those who over-consume the most, we should applaud it, and tell the government they are doing everything right, but can we please do even more to reduce production and consumption? But in reality, it is a sign that the poorest can't afford the basics, let alone non-essentials, while their rich employers cry crocodile tears, tell them there will have to be redundancies, then retire to their mansions to count their riches. Years ago, we were promised that automation would bring us consumer heaven and a shorter working week, with plenty of wealth and leisure for all. Instead, it has allowed owners to employ fewer workers, and pocket the profits from their productivity. Having paid for manufacturing robots that can work accurately, without fatigue, 24/7, they have the ability to manufacture for the world, and not be bothered by troublesome workers rights, unions and the like. So the rich get richer, and the poor only have a job if they can work more cheaply than a robot. Brave new world - I want to get off!
Andrew, I'm a design engineer.............I specialise in factory automation and hate unions.

I also believe in manufacturing things in-house, quality products designed to last, not cheap rubbish from the far east, mass produced cheaply for a disposable market.

Make no bones, the likes of Nissan and Honda will be out of the UK, not because of the current political climate, but because the Japanese have struck a trade deal direct with EU, so as such don't need satellite plants outside of Japan as their "backdoor" into the European market.

All of this has no bearing on climate change, the doom and gloom merchants do not like people pointing out that 10000 years ago, Scotland was a sub tropical paradise

There is a cycle of warming and cooling that has occurred for millennia, and while I agree rampant consumption of the Earth's natural resources should be reduced, EV are not the answer, and the current mindset of castigating owners of the very vehicles the fickle politicos only a few years ago were urging people to buy, will surely be repeated as soon as the next fad appears.

There are people who thing the glass is half full, others who think the glass is half empty.......personally speaking, I think the glass is twice the size it needs to be

While it is impossible to change the spin that is put on the blind rush towards the totalitarian introduction of vehicles that are "zero emission", it is nothing more than the "elite" as you put it forcing the "underdog" to tow the line, the line that increases the divide between rich and poor.

The only question is, at what point do we reach the dystopia promised in the film "Soylent Green", after all it's only just over two years until 2022

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