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Old 25th November 2021, 13:13   #1
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Unhappy Migrants crossing the channel

Why is this still happening? We should have taken control of this, unfortunately it looks as if itís getting worse. One reason touted why we are attractive to these illegal migrants, is that they can easily disappear into our grey economy.
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Old 25th November 2021, 13:38   #2
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Good question Michael and your surmise is most likely correct, and they will not be subject to immediate vaccination or any medical checks so will no doubt delivering parcels or takeaways to an address near you any time soon. Chris.S. P.S I have just subjected some poor minion at the local Conservative office to a 15 minutes diatribe on the subject and the cost in electoral support and adverse general and world opinion that would be the least the Government could expect. He agreed.
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Old 25th November 2021, 14:22   #3
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It is still happening because Macron is up for election very soon and either way has a battle on his hands. Add to that the collective view of support for an ex-member of the Union and consider the current blind eye being offered.

In international law it is primarily a French problem which should be resolved by EU. Itís a strange thing that when UK was a member we were told the responsibility resides with the country of entry into the EU. There are several countries between UK and the entry point into EU. Every one of them between entry and Calais has ushered and aided the travellers ever onwards. Meanwhile, Brussels looks on and laughs.

History, especially the European flavour, always repeats ad nauseum.
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Old 25th November 2021, 15:11   #4
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Whilst it is true that France does have some form re border control going back over the last century and before it does have a point along with other EU members about the UK's inaction over the pull factor. The expenses fiddlers really do seem to take the taxpayer for granted over this issue in particular. Maybe their perception of the sustainability of it stems from an addiction of some if not many of them to the teat of the public payroll.
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Whilst it is true that France does have some form re border control going back over the last century and before it does have a point along with other EU members about the UK's inaction over the pull factor. The expenses fiddlers really do seem to take the taxpayer for granted over this issue in particular. Maybe their perception of the sustainability of it stems from an addiction of some if not many of them to the teat of the public payroll.
Whilst your post and previous ones cover the issue rather well. However, the talk of a high wage/salary workforce (latest buzzword) will obviously be of a higher attraction than some other EU countries were ID cards are compulsory.

Add in free health care (they will not be tax payers in the black economy), more freedoms, not be executed for rape and only have laughable sanctions when caught via criminal activity (because they don't exist) and it's a wonderful life!

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Old 25th November 2021, 18:24   #6
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It is awful that so many lost their lives in such a dreadful way.


Why do they feel the need to come here illegally instead of legally?
What is the problem in their own country that makes them want to leave? Is this where the world needs to bring change?

If they arrive illegally and then marry a UK citizen or give birth in the UK, does that give them the right to stay? If it does then perhaps this is a rule we need to change?
Certainly if they commit crime deport them.

How many illegally arrived people do we deport each year?

It concerns me that these people may be facing all sort of dangers to get here, spend all their money to get here and then we poo on them. On the News there have been reports of staff shortages in low paid jobs. I am infuriated that we have people drawing the dole and not working when they are fit to work. What it does show, is that we need a foreign workforce, so perhaps they don't need to as has been suggested, disappear into a grey economy. This however would be "rewarding" breaking the law

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Old 25th November 2021, 18:30   #7
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OK the now for my two penny worth.

I believe that the inactivity of not stopping the flow of immigrants is because of the following reasons.

When the UK was controlled by the EU, there was an agreement signed that EU countries would be made to take a number if immigrants, When the UK left the EU they were still bound by this agreement.. Since then the UK government have been trying to pass thru parliament a Bill to annul this aforementioned agreement. This has been presented to Parliament several times, But every time it has been defeated/blocked by opposition parties.

This is why we see countless numbers of illegals entering the country who are there for only one reason.
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It is amazing that with today's technology we cannot keep these people out, how many German soldiers crossed the Channel during WW2?
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Old 25th November 2021, 18:42   #9
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If they arrive illegally and then marry a UK citizen or give birth in the UK, does that give them the right to stay?
Neither gives them the automatic right to stay in the UK, anybody coming into the country has to apply to remain here.
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how many German soldiers crossed the Channel during WW2?
I suspect laying minefields in the channel would raise a few eyebrows.
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What it does show, is that we need a foreign workforce, so perhaps they don't need to as has been suggested, disappear into a grey economy. macafee2

If you're seking asylum apparently you can't apply for a job, yet we have a skill shortage. Many of these migrants are highly skilled and came here to work. Does that make any sort of sense to anyone outside of no. 10?
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