Taking a 1.8T to 300bhp: What do you need?

Pistonbroke666 · 5th December 2014, 13:00

Hi guys

I've been thinking about what I need to do/get to take my 1.8T to 300bhp.

Mechanically, she is in brilliant nick so putting perishables and wear and tear aside, what parts do I need to uprate?

Here's my first stab...

1. Ductile liners (£395)
2. Forged pistons and rods (£800)
3. Uprated turbo -I've been told that the turbo from the Nissan 200SX fits straight onto the manifold - need to confirm. (£250)
4. Remap - fortunately MEMS3 can be taken to the desired power (and beyond apparently). (£400? - some variables to this)
5. Uprated fuel injectors - not sure which to go for (£150)
6. Gearbox - I believe the ZT's use a Getrag setup. Is anyone aware of a good uprated set up that other motors use? The standard set up might be ok if I don't stress it too much but if there's a good alternative I'd be keen to investigate. (£???)
7. FMIC with as few pipes as possible (£200)
8...
9...
10...

I'm glad the cranks good for 300bhp, keeps the bill down a tad.

I'll add parts to the list as they come in - might be a useful for others.
Looking forward to hearing from you.

Cheers

James

Sector-9 · 5th December 2014, 16:47

That's a lot of power from a relatively small engine - it may be do-able but I doubt the engine would last long at those outputs. Not being a tuning bod my only contribution is that as you'd probably be running higher boost and fuelling you'd probably have to uprate the cooling system with a bigger radiator and possibly increase the flow too(get rid of as many bends and restrictions as possible, wider hoses, that kind of thing). Also a bigger oil cooler.

I'd be far more interested in turbocharging some of the earlier 1.4 K-series as used in the old 'wedges' - they didn't seem to have the same HGF problems and the turbo in something weighing only a ton would be a hoot.

marinabrian · 5th December 2014, 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sector-9

That's a lot of power from a relatively small engine - it may be do-able but I doubt the engine would last long at those outputs. Not being a tuning bod my only contribution is that as you'd probably be running higher boost and fuelling you'd probably have to uprate the cooling system with a bigger radiator and possibly increase the flow too(get rid of as many bends and restrictions as possible, wider hoses, that kind of thing). Also a bigger oil cooler.

I'd be far more interested in turbocharging some of the earlier 1.4 K-series as used in the old 'wedges' - they didn't seem to have the same HGF problems and the turbo in something weighing only a ton would be a hoot.

The thought had crossed my mind too, not as a 1400, or 1600 but an 1800T XW.

Mmm, rear drum brakes and and no ABS, might have to fit the set of rear discs and callipers from the 420 GSi tourer though

Brian

Plezier · 5th December 2014, 17:32

Answer ................................................ lots of money!

Some of the Elise owners are up over 400BHP with their K4 engines but .................................................. .... they have spent small fortunes to do it.

pab · 5th December 2014, 18:19

How much power? Read it again, don't bother..

mystabe · 5th December 2014, 20:12

Have you seriously priced this up? - I believe it can be done but I doubt you'll get much change from £7K for a properly done/in anyway reliable engine......... I know you're almost certainly going to tell me different but

johan190 · 5th December 2014, 23:49

About the gearbox..I read somewhere that the Mini Cooper S 6-speed box could possibly fit bit I'm not sure at all. I just remember reading it. Just maybe something to look into?
I'm really impressed with your project and I hope you make it up to the magic 300hp, looking forward to see more!
I can't see the problem with tuning a car for some more power? It suits the ZT's character, the chassi is perfect and I'm sure the engine can handle it too with the right parts. Go for it!

Cheers

wooly12345 · 6th December 2014, 00:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pistonbroke666

Hi guys

I've been thinking about what I need to do/get to take my 1.8T to 300bhp.

Mechanically, she is in brilliant nick so putting perishables and wear and tear aside, what parts do I need to uprate?

Here's my first stab...

1. Ductile liners
2. Forged pistons and rods
3. Uprated turbo -I've been told that the turbo from the Nissan 200SX fits straight onto the manifold - need to confirm.
4. Remap - fortunately MEMS3 can be taken to the desired power (and beyond apparently).
5. Uprated fuel injectors - not sure which to go for.
6. Gearbox - I believe the ZT's use a Getrag setup. Is anyone aware of a good uprated set up that other motors use? The standard set up might be ok if I don't stress it too much but if there's a good alternative I'd be keen to investigate.
7. FMIC with as few pipes as possible.
8...
9...
10...

I'm glad the cranks good for 300bhp, keeps the bill down a tad.

I'll add parts to the list as they come in - might be a useful for others.
Looking forward to hearing from you.

Cheers

James

What do i need....
hmmmmm A ROCKET!!!

I love the 75 but if you want a 300bhp luxury super saloon and want change from an already estimated cost of 7k why not look at this:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLVO-S60R...item1e96271107

Reliable, super safe, sophisticated, well built...

Or if you liked what BMW did for the rover brand, why not buyone:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-BMW-5...item19f70ccdaa

or if its the feeling of something that is no longer being built what àbout this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SAAB-2-8-V...item2c9207153f

all of the above cars should do a cracking job of giving you a reliable/quick saloon.

Thats my tuppence worth anywho, good look with the project if your heart is set on it

GeraintUK · 6th December 2014, 01:32

Got to say i am very disappointed in the responses Pistonbroke has received in here.
I thought better of several of the people who have commented.

He can do what he likes, can spend what he likes and be proven right or wrong, that to me is what being an enthusiast is.
Half of you claim things you have no practical knowledge of, like how can you run 300bhp in a FWD car. The same was said many times before but there are quite a few road legal cars running up to 800bhp. Suppose that is pointless.

I'm seriously thinking this isn't the forum for me either.

It's not just on this thread either, it's every time some does anything other than keep is to factory spec and not do anything personal, the critics come out.

Me, i'd prefer to support anyone doing anything. I may not like it, I may not want to do it, but i'll damn well support the person doing it.

Our brand gets enough rubbish from other manufacturer forums so alienating the few that are happy to try something different is a joke.

Good luck Pistonbroke, you know what you need pretty much anyway, but feel free to ask me OFFLINE (i.e not on the forum).

Borg Warner · 6th December 2014, 04:59

JDI

Just Do It.

I admire people who have the ambition, and capabilities to make something (different) of their cars. Will make a nice change (and I'm not being rude or demeaning here) from people cooing over a "real wood" steering wheel or going "wow" over a set of original wheels which they've picked up from a scrappy or E-bay saying they've "modified" their car.

This will be a challenge for the OP and best of luck to him I say. Go for it, detail the work so we can see it.

To both the OP and GeraintUK, this isn't real! It's cyberspace and people sometimes get a little carried away.

I know....

PS. Brakes, suspension, tyres and of course insurance - last thing you would want to happen is for it to get written off for a cracked bumper with all of this work carried out.

Best of luck.

5th December 2014, 13:00	#1
Pistonbroke666 Posted a thing or two MG ZT 1.8T, MG GS Exclusive Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Grays Essex Posts: 1,809 Thanks: 100 Thanked 282 Times in 205 Posts	Taking a 1.8T to 300bhp: What do you need? Hi guys I've been thinking about what I need to do/get to take my 1.8T to 300bhp. Mechanically, she is in brilliant nick so putting perishables and wear and tear aside, what parts do I need to uprate? Here's my first stab... 1. Ductile liners (£395) 2. Forged pistons and rods (£800) 3. Uprated turbo -I've been told that the turbo from the Nissan 200SX fits straight onto the manifold - need to confirm. (£250) 4. Remap - fortunately MEMS3 can be taken to the desired power (and beyond apparently). (£400? - some variables to this) 5. Uprated fuel injectors - not sure which to go for (£150) 6. Gearbox - I believe the ZT's use a Getrag setup. Is anyone aware of a good uprated set up that other motors use? The standard set up might be ok if I don't stress it too much but if there's a good alternative I'd be keen to investigate. (£???) 7. FMIC with as few pipes as possible (£200) 8... 9... 10... I'm glad the cranks good for 300bhp, keeps the bill down a tad. I'll add parts to the list as they come in - might be a useful for others. Looking forward to hearing from you. Cheers James Last edited by Pistonbroke666; 8th December 2014 at 13:05.. Reason: Estimates added to parts

5th December 2014, 16:47	#2
Sector-9 Gets stuck in Rover 75 CDT manual Tourer Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: nr. Mansfield Posts: 767 Thanks: 24 Thanked 182 Times in 137 Posts	That's a lot of power from a relatively small engine - it may be do-able but I doubt the engine would last long at those outputs. Not being a tuning bod my only contribution is that as you'd probably be running higher boost and fuelling you'd probably have to uprate the cooling system with a bigger radiator and possibly increase the flow too(get rid of as many bends and restrictions as possible, wider hoses, that kind of thing). Also a bigger oil cooler. I'd be far more interested in turbocharging some of the earlier 1.4 K-series as used in the old 'wedges' - they didn't seem to have the same HGF problems and the turbo in something weighing only a ton would be a hoot. Last edited by Sector-9; 5th December 2014 at 16:49..

5th December 2014, 17:32	#4
Plezier I really should get out more....... Mercedes C Class CDI estate (2003) Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gradina Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 62 Thanked 137 Times in 119 Posts	Answer ................................................ lots of money! Some of the Elise owners are up over 400BHP with their K4 engines but .................................................. .... they have spent small fortunes to do it. __________________ Classic SE CDT sadly lost in a severe collision.

5th December 2014, 23:49	#7
johan190 Avid contributor MG ZT 190+ Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Sweden Posts: 236 Thanks: 61 Thanked 64 Times in 26 Posts	About the gearbox..I read somewhere that the Mini Cooper S 6-speed box could possibly fit bit I'm not sure at all. I just remember reading it. Just maybe something to look into? I'm really impressed with your project and I hope you make it up to the magic 300hp, looking forward to see more! I can't see the problem with tuning a car for some more power? It suits the ZT's character, the chassi is perfect and I'm sure the engine can handle it too with the right parts. Go for it! Cheers __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] MG ZT 190+ rolling in the streets of Sweden

5th December 2014, 18:19	#5
pab Banned MG ZT V6 190+ Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Leeds Posts: 33,223 Thanks: 41 Thanked 1,614 Times in 1,416 Posts	How much power? Read it again, don't bother..

5th December 2014, 20:12	#6
mystabe Posted a thing or two Mazda 6 Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Wigan Posts: 1,384 Thanks: 266 Thanked 398 Times in 287 Posts	Have you seriously priced this up? - I believe it can be done but I doubt you'll get much change from £7K for a properly done/in anyway reliable engine......... I know you're almost certainly going to tell me different but

6th December 2014, 01:32	#9
GeraintUK Passed Away MG ZT-T 160 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chester Posts: 1,307 Thanks: 64 Thanked 222 Times in 145 Posts	Got to say i am very disappointed in the responses Pistonbroke has received in here. I thought better of several of the people who have commented. He can do what he likes, can spend what he likes and be proven right or wrong, that to me is what being an enthusiast is. Half of you claim things you have no practical knowledge of, like how can you run 300bhp in a FWD car. The same was said many times before but there are quite a few road legal cars running up to 800bhp. Suppose that is pointless. I'm seriously thinking this isn't the forum for me either. It's not just on this thread either, it's every time some does anything other than keep is to factory spec and not do anything personal, the critics come out. Me, i'd prefer to support anyone doing anything. I may not like it, I may not want to do it, but i'll damn well support the person doing it. Our brand gets enough rubbish from other manufacturer forums so alienating the few that are happy to try something different is a joke. Good luck Pistonbroke, you know what you need pretty much anyway, but feel free to ask me OFFLINE (i.e not on the forum).

6th December 2014, 04:59	#10
Borg Warner I really should get out more....... None Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2,579 Thanks: 494 Thanked 657 Times in 402 Posts	JDI Just Do It. I admire people who have the ambition, and capabilities to make something (different) of their cars. Will make a nice change (and I'm not being rude or demeaning here) from people cooing over a "real wood" steering wheel or going "wow" over a set of original wheels which they've picked up from a scrappy or E-bay saying they've "modified" their car. This will be a challenge for the OP and best of luck to him I say. Go for it, detail the work so we can see it. To both the OP and GeraintUK, this isn't real! It's cyberspace and people sometimes get a little carried away. I know.... PS. Brakes, suspension, tyres and of course insurance - last thing you would want to happen is for it to get written off for a cracked bumper with all of this work carried out. Best of luck.