How long before we're priced off the road

[Mean & Green]

Originally Posted by donc

I wonder how long before the government penalises our car emmisions so that it's no longer viable to run them. So many cars are available now with zero tax or tax at £30 a year. It's getting more and more tempting to change do you think?

Until taxing my MGs starts costing something close to the costs of the monthly payments on a newer car I don’t see tax prices as an issue.

Even if tax was £1000 per year that’s only £83 per month. How much is a new car of similar performance, comfort, size etc on HP every month?

I can do a lot of my own servicing, so no expensive dealer costs. Parts are relatively cheap and my ZT-T and ZR are fun to drive.

Don’t feel any need to throw money at a constantly depreciating appliance such as a modern car TBH.

[Arctic]

Petrol & diesel owners may be taxed more in the future who knows, therefore it would be best to do it by cost of fuel, those that do most miles will of cause pay more, using your car more would mean more pollution, so you pay for it, as it stands you are paying the below sum.

Would you be happy lets say if 10p -15p per litre was added to the cost of fuel, and pay no tax on the car, i would as i only do about 4.500 miles per year, i have two cars both diesel FL2 & R40 Tourer, i am sure those whom do more miles would not like to be taxed through the fuel method. ?

0.90 per day
6.34 per week
21.50 per month.

Good plan chuck £1.00 into a jar right after the day you pay your tax this year, do it every day come 12 months you will have tax money ready.

[Simondi]

I wonder whether petrol will slowly become the issue. As other forms of propulsion become more popular inevitably demand for petrol and diesel will start to reduce. I wonder if in 10-20 years time there will be the network of petrol stations we currently have

[Lancpudn]

I've been reading the CCC Carbon Budget reports, (yeah I know sad get or what) It doesn't make for good reading regarding ICE vehicles, They want to reform the VED taxes, They recommend setting significantly larger differentials between the cleanest & most polluting vehicles.
They want emissions from surface road transport to fall 78% by the end of the decade. The last time I had my Rover 2.5 V6 tested it was over 250g/km, the limit for new cars now thru 2025 is 95g/km. I wonder how much VED will be for if & when these measures are implemented.

https://www.nextgreencar.com/view-ca...matic-5-speed/



Download the letter to read on this link https://www.theccc.org.uk/publicatio...-consultation/


There are quite a few of those CCC reports that make for scary reading regarding transportation to UK net zero in the coming decades.

[Steamdrivenandy]

If ICE cars were going to continue in production and be available to buy after 2030 then I can see a justification for draconian taxation as a deterrent to purchase. However by 2030 there'll have been relatively few ICE cars sold for several years and natural decline will reduce numbers relatively quickly and exhaust pipe pollution will consequently reduce anyway, without too much taxation pressure.

Let's not forget that older vehicles tend overall, to be run, leaving aside enthusiasts, by those on lowest incomes and no government wants to be held out as depriving the 'man in the street' his ability to drive that street.

[Steamdrivenandy]

You can get an idea of how the number of car from a particular year reduces over time by checking the numbers for sale on Autotrader. Not a definitive list but it shows the trend.

2019 50,000
2018 51,000
2017 89,000
2016 48,000
2015 33,000
2014 26,000
2013 21,000
2012 17,000
2011 14,000
2010 12,000
2009 10,000
2008 8,000
2007 7,000
2006 5,000
2005 3,500
2004 2,500
2003 1,500
2002 1,000
2001 500
2000 350

The top year is always 3 years from the present when the vast majority of PCP contracts end and a lot of cars come on the used market for the first time. By the time a decade has passed there are only a sixth of the cars for sale compared to the average number for sale over the four most recent years. It seems the cars available shrink by between 10% and 25% each year, with the higher percentages nearer recent times.

On that basis it could be said that 2029 ICE cars, which will already be a small part of that year's fleet, as most will buy some form of EV, will have reduced by nearly 40% by the year 2034.

[LeRich]

Originally Posted by Nick91

Does anyone know how much, say, my 2.5 V6 would have been to tax back in 2004? I

My 2004 price list shows VED for a 2.5 V6 as £160.

[cantabro75]

The governaments allways need taxes,,more taxes so cars will be running with sintetic petrol , Repsol has became to build a new instalatiosn along with Aranco 90 kilometers from my home to produce syntetic ,,so do not worry engines will keep running

[LeRich]

Originally Posted by Simondi

I wonder whether petrol will slowly become the issue. As other forms of propulsion become more popular inevitably demand for petrol and diesel will start to reduce. I wonder if in 10-20 years time there will be the network of petrol stations we currently have

Fuel stations will have to diversify to survive (many are modern-day corner shops now) by becoming rapid charging points or offer hydrigen as well if things go that way.
Fossil fuel supply will become an issue. As global demand drops, the supply chain will retract, to the detriment of economies of scale. Petrol and diesel will cost more to refine and distribute so the base cost will go up. Then we'll get hammered by increases in duty as well as VED. Motorists will want to hang on to their ICE cars until the argument for electric vehicles is reconciled - unless the government make it very economically unattractive to do so.

[torque2me]

Originally Posted by LeRich

Fuel stations will have to diversify to survive (many are modern-day corner shops now) by becoming rapid charging points or offer hydrigen as well if things go that way.
Fossil fuel supply will become an issue. As global demand drops, the supply chain will retract, to the detriment of economies of scale. Petrol and diesel will cost more to refine and distribute so the base cost will go up. Then we'll get hammered by increases in duty as well as VED. Motorists will want to hang on to their ICE cars until the argument for electric vehicles is reconciled - unless the government make it very economically unattractive to do so.

The govt. has previously used my money to subsidise a shift in vehicle type which they believed was better (i.e. scrappage scheme). I wish the PM/Minister(s)/Civil Servants had gone to a "bog standard comprehensive" and had learnt about the health issues for Nox besides Co2. Then we might not have this skewed and discriminatory present VED system.

Kev