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Old 19th August 2019, 17:35   #1
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Default KV6 engine P0172 Code and misfiring/lack of power

Hello All.

I have a freelander which has the KV6 engine so hoping someone on this forum may be able to help me. The engine warning light has come on and keeps coming on even after clearing the DTC.

The code is P0172 which is Bank 1 Engine Bank too rich.

The o2 sensors have been replaced and they were not working, but the engine code came back.

The engine is very lumpy when it is idling and almost feels as if there is no power low down until you rev the engine and then it kicks into life.

Its been in the garage today and there was also a misfire code showing on their diagnostic equipment. Spark plugs have been replaced and the coils tested and all fine. But still no power low down and misfiring. Headgasket etc was all tested and I've been told was fine.

The fuel trims codes are also showing the engine is running very rich, down about -20% on Bank 1 which is what is setting the P0172 code off.

The inlet manifold (plastic thing on top) doesn't appear to make any noise when you shake it and taking the balance vis motor off showed the butterfly valve was ok.

Currently running out of ideas and thinking the engine has had it with a ghostly problem.

Has anyone else had a similar problem? Or can think of something else we can try?
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Old 19th August 2019, 20:01   #2
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The code is P0172 which is Bank 1 Engine Bank too rich.

The o2 sensors have been replaced and they were not working, but the engine code came back.
How long did it take before the 'check engine' light illuminated again?

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Anything from 10 miles to 100 miles. Went a whole week without coming on. Always comes in at idle too.
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You might have a dying catalytic converter. I've got a similar problem with my CitroŽn C3 and I haven't been able to find what's causing it.

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wouldnt a dying cat be caused by rich engine and misfire rather than the cause?
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Based on what you have said i would get the bank 1 injectors tested for leakage.
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Does your engine have spark plug leads? They can degrade over time.
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Does your engine have spark plug leads? They can degrade over time.
Spark plug leads are all fine, coils are working.

It seems everything is working as it should be, but the engine is running really rich. The mechanic thinks it could be the inlet manifold and air is escaping through it somewhere making the engine think it is running rich.

Both of us are baffled about what it could be. Even had an endoscope in around the inlet maniforld to check the valves etc.

Would VIS motor failure cause the engine to run rich and misfire?
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Would VIS motor failure cause the engine to run rich and misfire?
No.

In any case, this is something specific to the LH bank and the VIS system affects both banks.

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No.

In any case, this is something specific to the LH bank and the VIS system affects both banks.

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I'm thinking the total lack of power until 3000rpm could be the vis motors. (read back over my OP) I missed this bit out. The car is kinda like driving something with an on off switch rather than a nice smooth throttle.
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