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Old 4th January 2022, 19:50   #21
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Governments do not 'run' things, only into the ground and then pass the inevitable reckoning on to the electorate. There are the occasional excellent ministers who really try hard but sooner or later they are 'advised' that their efforts are getting in the way of preferred progress elsewhere. Then they get promoted.

There are now rumours circling, no they aren't vultures, that some adjustments might be made via various tax exemptions so all may not be lost. The rumours that started these rumours are whispers about a future election and the effect that may have on personal futures. And fortunes.

Greening. Whatever one feels about the unimaginable cost of Greening, I'm sure some way could be found to mitigate those costs in favour of the supply of energy. We are after all sitting on oceans of coal and gas and other sources.

If it is such an urgency and, taking other world wide examples of sensible management into account, surely a middle way is better. In the general run of things we are miniscule in the effect we have. Why do we voluntarily impoverish ourselves before world-wide despots, who are aching to see us fail, have a laugh.
Well, from when the industry was nationalised in 1948 until around the mid 70's it was run very well. Indeed it was crucial to the post war rebuilding of the country. The integration of the transmission and distribution network was superb, so to was the staffing between the various area boards.

Only cable, poles and tower legs where run into the ground.

And very well they were too. :-)
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Old 4th January 2022, 21:53   #22
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Well, from when the industry was nationalised in 1948 until around the mid 70's it was run very well. Indeed it was crucial to the post war rebuilding of the country. The integration of the transmission and distribution network was superb, so too was the staffing between the various area boards.

Only cable, poles and tower legs were run into the ground.

And very well they were too. :-)
I take Wraymond's point about Greening. Costs increasing and returns diminishing.

Greening is a good description of the slippery slope we find ourselves on at the moment.

Somehow competency seems to slipping out of the window too.

The young seem to be much happier playing with their electronic toys than figuring how the world works around them.

We're Doomed, Doomed I tell you.--
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Old 4th January 2022, 22:33   #23
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The young seem to be much happier playing with their electronic toys than figuring how the world works around them.

We're Doomed, Doomed I tell you.--

I often wonder if some members here ever meet young people. I have been dealing with youngsters straight out of uni for many years. They have all been extremely competent, polite and a pleasure to have around as young/aspiring professionals. For the past 3 years I have worked with 16/17 year old students at college and apart from a few, the majority have been worldly wise. The best 1/3 of each year have worked extremely hard to achieve their absolute best including attending optional online lessons with myself during school holidays, evenings and so on.

I cannot say the same about all the grown ups that I come across. They all think they are worldly wise, they know everyone else's job better than the person doing the job, they are opinionated and generally anti-social. The worrying thing is that I belong to this age group!
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Good points MSS, I too was in education most of my working life. I have 4 grandchildren from 14-21 yrs, I too find them to be very aware of issues affecting our society/country/world. Their generation has a huge task ahead of them sorting out the mess my generation and others have left them. In particular they always seem to be aware of environmental and green issues. I have a lot of faith in them to right our wrongs.
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Old 5th January 2022, 10:25   #25
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Todays news, energy cost could go up 50% in April followed by 20% in October. The is an 80% rise on todays price.
If that does not concern you financially, you are more at ease with it then I am. I find that very concerning.

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Old 5th January 2022, 11:11   #26
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We'd better get fracking sorted then.
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Old 5th January 2022, 11:28   #27
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our landing is 16.5 and our bedroom 16. Other rooms in the house are colder but the living room is warmer as that is the only room that has the heating on

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Similarly, today our lounge, kitchen, landing etc. is at 15c now and perfectly comfortable with a fleece on plus socks. The fact it's quite sunny and bright today helps also.
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Sorry your last paragraph is beyond my understanding, Ive tried but had more success with changing/not my sidelight bulb. Chris.S. P.S. my combiboiler has just gone kaput so I am sort of interested in everything.

Chris - it sounds like you have joined us green/low-temperature living lot, be it not by choice.
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Old 5th January 2022, 11:40   #29
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Hi, I believe this year 2022, is going to be the year of the ever rising energy bill. Other things are going to have to be pushed to one side. How can we forge ahead with green policies when our poorer people cannot afford their household bills? The levelling up agenda will look silly alongside these bill increases. Perhaps you don’t like what I’m saying but I speak as someone who has seen so much poverty in my travels and who doesn’t want to see increases in the UK.

Green policies pushing up energy bills. Wonder how that's going to affect the cost of running BEVs....




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News has warned of higher bills this year and then the use of red diesel being made illegal for certain uses will not help people.
Lets see what profit the energy (gas, water and electric) companies show at end of financial year.
I can see more people having to decide if to stay warm or not. We have struggled to stay warm and stay warm at a reasonable cost this winter. I now keep my eyes peeled for free wood for the log burner and central heating.
2021 was a shock with the electric bill. Still think all new builds should have solar panels fitted but as they are so inefficient they wont solve the problem either at the moment. The cost fitting of solar panels has to come down so it is more attractive to home owners.



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The red diesel restriction - ostensibily to reduce emissions (lol) is going to affect costs in many areas. Ironically many of those areas have no choice for the energy source, so CO2 output won't reduce as much. People living off grid that depend on diesel are going to be hit extremely hard.






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IMO government needs to renationalise gas and electricity.

Maybe - however that would make it easier for them to turn off the gas in their zealous goal to achieve a reduction in world wide co2 emission of less than 1% by martyring the country.


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Goodness hope that never happens.

Governments can't run health, education, defence, the roads or anything else well for that matter. Getting their hands back on what is the critical utility of the country would be disastrous.

Really? They were that badly run that they had huge value when the tories sold them off...


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Currently in our little snug with a reading of 22c. I’d be happy at 18c myself, but the other half likes to keep turning up the thermostat. I did suggest she might take over the heating bill, but that didn’t fly for some reason! Just a couple of degrees cooler makes a good saving on heating. What the UK really needs is mandatory good insulation on all new builds. I think the ‘mu’ values in older houses are fairly poor, hence layered clothing or a snug are essential unless one has money to burn.

The UK does now have mandatory good insulation on new builds. Unfortunately builders are paying lip-service to the requirements and getting away with it.


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Well, from when the industry was nationalised in 1948 until around the mid 70's it was run very well. Indeed it was crucial to the post war rebuilding of the country. The integration of the transmission and distribution network was superb, so to was the staffing between the various area boards.

Only cable, poles and tower legs where run into the ground.

And very well they were too. :-)

Hear hear!


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I often wonder if some members here ever meet young people. I have been dealing with youngsters straight out of uni for many years. They have all been extremely competent, polite and a pleasure to have around as young/aspiring professionals. For the past 3 years I have worked with 16/17 year old students at college and apart from a few, the majority have been worldly wise. The best 1/3 of each year have worked extremely hard to achieve their absolute best including attending optional online lessons with myself during school holidays, evenings and so on.

I cannot say the same about all the grown ups that I come across. They all think they are worldly wise, they know everyone else's job better than the person doing the job, they are opinionated and generally anti-social. The worrying thing is that I belong to this age group!

True. However University graduates only account for the top 25-30% of the adult population.


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Todays news, energy cost could go up 50% in April followed by 20% in October. The is an 80% rise on todays price.
If that does not concern you financially, you are more at ease with it then I am. I find that very concerning.

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I’m afraid the well off are going to have to subsidise the poorer people.
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