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Old 10th June 2019, 07:05   #61
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Personally I couldn't care less about Donald Trump. Not a man I would want to meet, but there again there are a lot of people I'm not bothered about meeting.

On the bright side he never invited me to meet him whilst he was here so I didn't have to make a decision about it.

Do I like the use of the balloons and blimps ridiculing people - no. I think it's demeaning. Not only for the target but also for the user. In fact any argument or debate that has to resort to making fun of individuals looks, appearance or indeed beliefs would suggest that they have ran out of coherent argument and have now resorted to school playground tactics.

IMHO those who flew the balloon are as bad as those who made up and use the meme comparing the blimp to the blonde woman.

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Old 10th June 2019, 13:47   #62
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A large part of the problems with bandwagon behaviour is the growth of inflated language and most terms of vocal abuse. It spreads like wildfire when the culprits lack any personal ideas and rely on the impetus from social media sources for their education. Words that once were factual definitions of particular movements, worthy and less so, that degenerated into disrepute become devalued and adopted by petty revolutionaries.

Take the word that gobby woman in the news seems so fond of, the 'F' word, Fascist. She uses it as a foul swearword designed to enrage and to provoke a violent reaction.

The word means the crushing of opposition by secret police through civil militia. She apparently fails to recognise her freedom to demonstrate her views in violent manner by using the term in the attempted crushing of dissent in the presence of substantial numbers of Police! The very thing to which she ignorantly and violently objects!

Some of these ignoramuses actually seek public office. Heaven help us. I sometimes wish they would remember you don't quench a fire with more heat. You need calm water.
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Old 10th June 2019, 15:17   #63
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There are always idiots and they are in every walk of life. 'Nazi' is becoming more and more the term of abuse by those who are unbelievably fortunate not to be able to remember how and why the word was relevant. Maybe it's a good thing they do not remember so can look forward to the better future so many of their countrymen died for.

I have to say they have grown up in many countries as the blessed generation, blessed in many ways but now unaware of their own history and as a result will be unable to recognise the incremental steps towards repetition by other means. Incredibly current.
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Old 12th June 2019, 23:36   #64
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"The worst facists are the anti-facists"

Somebody said that once.
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In the interests of balance, I wonder if there is a term for anti-fascist that has a positive connotation rather than the pejorative 'anti'.

I'm sure they see themselves as kind and gentle people of sweet nature and impeccable manners, as having a liking for the Lords Byron and Tennyson and William Wordsworth and the like. 'Anti' is nowadays always used to put a bad colour on something and way beyond the opposite equivalent of 'pro'.
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"The worst facists are the anti-facists"

Somebody said that once.

Well it wasn't my son, who lives in Berlin and has gone on many (peaceful) anti-Fascist marches. He's also taken out German citizenship because he saw clearer than I that the referendum would mean leaving and turning our backs on Europe.
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In the interests of balance, I wonder if there is a term for anti-fascist that has a positive connotation rather than the pejorative 'anti'.



I'm sure they see themselves as kind and gentle people of sweet nature and impeccable manners, as having a liking for the Lords Byron and Tennyson and William Wordsworth and the like. 'Anti' is nowadays always used to put a bad colour on something and way beyond the opposite equivalent of 'pro'.
Pacifist, liberal,

Then maybe anti-pacifists lol

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Totally agree, incitement to violence, joking or not, she shouldn't have said what she did.

I really don't understand how the BBC can keep up their appearances with acts such as this, it would seem someone has hit the self-destruct button me thinks.
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Her foul output is seen as comedy. Until of course the subject becomes fatist or sizeist or laddish or any other trumped up target. Then she complains the loudest.

What we get is so called comedy where laughs are obtained by the desperate from the also-ran wannabes who dare not have a voice of their own.

When someone objects to her language or target, and in her own manner and idiom or fails to laugh like a drain, they are called anti-feminist or misogynist. Then jumped on by the hordes of illiterates that abound on social media. Not that there is much that is socialist there. That's with a small 's' by the way.

Just seen an interview with a USA news journalist and N. Farage and he is calling for police action alleging Incitement. There seems little chance of success even though the subject Brand was discussing was milk shakes being thrown at politicians. Imagine the fuss if N.F. suggested similar action against, say, L. Kuenssberg. Maybe they are trying too hard to formulate a TV licence policy.
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Just wondering. What source would you suggest for a completely unbiased reporting of news items?
Since the independence referendum I have perceived the BBC to be very biased against Scotland in their national news service so have discounted them as credible a number of years ago
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