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[topman]

Originally Posted by Martin75

Still with them we wouldn't have been wasting money on Trident and stage 2 of the Euro fighter. Those alone will cost over £150 bln and they don't even get on the table for payment until after 2015!

Where did you get your figures from for those two items. All three tranches of the Typhoon have been ordered already for already, unless you want to get into eye watering penalty clauses which are probably higher than the bill anyway.

[Martin75]

Originally Posted by VVC-Geeza

What is the idea of this ? Surely the same result is likely within such a short space of time.

Who actually calls another election?

Can someone explain?

Normally the party in opposition proposes a 'Vote of no Confidence' upon the government party/pact/coalition. Alternatively the ruling Government, fed up with it all resigns.

Depending upon the suitability or frustration to a proposal presented to those 'propping up' the minority party administration, such as liberal with Labour or Tories, they either switch sides or coalesce with a majority decision to either overturn or agree to 'No Confidence'. Sometimes members within the ruling administration abstain or vote against their own party.

If that is vote is positive, then parliament is dissolved and an election ensues.

Usually 'Hung Parliaments' result in indecision and near run things, as no one really trusts anyone. Pressure from outside influences, say a run on the pound, or debt default could apply? Add squabbling, vested interests (proportional representation) normal human nuances etc, and the cocktail can be expected to ferment failure.

If Labour end up in bed with the Libs, Tories as largest single party opposition, and a vote of 'No Confidence' ensues by either method described above, there will be another General Election.

In February 1974 following a 'hung' result and a LIb/Lab pact, Harold Wilson resigned, and a new election took place on October 10th. Wilson was returned with an overall majority of 3.

Callaghan replaced Wilson, when the latter retired in '76, as both Labour leader and PM. (a la Brown with Blair). Labour sustained by-election losses and it's overall majority dissolved. 'Sunny' Jim struggled along with Thorpe's liberals propping him up in another Lib/Lab pact until '79, when following the now famed 'Winter of Discontent' Margaret Thatcher swept to power.

Some argue the near 3 year agreement between the Liberals and Labour achieved Economic successes. However, it's remembered as an abysmal failure, with the dead stacked unburied, and waste filling the streets as binmen, in fact anyone and everyone went on strike.

'Hung' parliaments generally don't suit the British mentality which historically tends to be black and white in it's fundamentals over political indecision, even though it always professes otherwise.

Whoever concocts an understanding this time (if at all) historically, it's a poisoned chalice. For example Clegg wants Proportional Representation, Cameron and Brown don't want to give it. Clegg gets promised a 'review of electoral procedure' or some other meaningless instrument, but doesn't trust either party to deliver. He goes along with it though for the sake of appearing open, co-operative etc etc to the electorate.

Eventually after a few months Clegg's had enough sooth saying, and says 'stand or deliver'. Threats ensue from all sides about forcing an election. Eventually after further periods of lying all round, a stand off results.

All parties then blame each other, wanting to appear the wronged partner(s). Spin doctors pour toxic aspirations liberally etc etc. Meanwhile our creditors in the outside world become worried, drum their fingers and heap on pressure over debt re-payment. Currently the parlous state of many European economies is not a good backdrop to have a family quarrel against.

Depending on whose spin doctors skills scare the great British Public most, (Mandleson & Balls - The Immortals) probably would be odds on favourites within this scenario, an election looms.

This could mean 'Hello Postman Pat' Alan Johnson in November, as international creditors (China) heap on the pain of a ten year repayment corset, equivalent to our total annual Inland Revenue receipts, as unemployment passes 3.4 million. Gordon Brown helpfully agrees to stay on as Chancellor and Ed Balls becomes deputy PM.

As in '74 and '79 the electorate may, as before tire of their previous coalition inspired, tactically voted for failure, and ballot decisively Red or Blue. The Liberals insist 'we was done!' and everybody packs up the Punch and Judy show until next time.

Of course other Paradigms could exist, but rather as Ambose Bierce once defined 'Peace' as ... 'a period of cheating, in between two periods of fighting', political pacts tend to bring out the worse in everyone.

[Martin75]

Originally Posted by topman

Where did you get your figures from for those two items. All three tranches of the Typhoon have been ordered already for already, unless you want to get into eye watering penalty clauses which are probably higher than the bill anyway.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hs-delays.html

[topman]

Originally Posted by Martin75

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...hs-delays.html

ahh the daily wail

[Parker]

I think Cons will work with Libs having given some ground but not get into a coalition, Tory grandees will not be able to stomach that and within months if not weeks there will once again be Tory infighting. Brown will resign giving way for a new leader and I'm guessing Ed Balls, the Millibands and possibly Alan Johnson will put names forward, Labour tend to have very little infighting compared to Tories so they will get back on track and prepare for a further election which could be as early as 6 months.

But heh what do I know, all I do know is we have already been told to raise funds and prepare for a further fight soon.

As a point of interest more than 1000 people joined the Labour party on 7th May, what was that all about.