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4th December 2019, 10:00 | #11 |
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Or this - genuine Rover: https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-ZUA001550
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4th December 2019, 11:03 | #12 | |
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The kit you linked to on eBay is from B S Motors in Sandy. I can tell you from personal experience they're excellent (I used to use them all the time for parts when I lived in Willington, 5 miles down the road) and are also X-Part dealers. In fact "Maurice", my 190 has a genuine kit on him I purchased from them in 2016. Nick at E-CP/B S Motors is a great guy, and very knowledgable.
You don't need the special tools to change the belts, just to line the cams up if you have removed or loosened the front cam pulleys (which you don't need to do for a belt change). Just make sure you lock the crank in the "safe" position, mark up the cam positions before you remove the belt and make sure everything lines up when you fit the new ones. The rear cam pulleys for the short belts are keyed to the shafts and have timing marks stamped in them; so need no special tools to line them up, either. You'll need two new bolts for those, though - oh, and plenty of threadlocker! It's no more difficult than any other twin cam engine, just a bit more time consuming getting to it! B S also have the standard genuine MG/Rover kit without the thermostat, it's normally about £160. I personally would not change the thermostat unless it is already leaking, however, as it's a well known weak spot it's always good to have one ready just in case. The hoses should be fine, the originals are probably higher quality and less likely to fail than anything you replace them with HTH! Quote:
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Perhaps you had help? Please explain, I would really like to know how it's done. Simon
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With everything marked up (four marks on each front sprocket, two yellow & two white) with the engine locked in the safe position (so no valve damage can occur) it's quite easy to put the belt on, if you adjust the tensioner afterwards. I had no choice as the workshop tool won't fit my engine anyway. The rear sprockets are keyed to the shaft, they're easy enough to hold the exhaust cam in the correct position with a ratchet/socket on the bolt head while someone else slips the other sprocket and belt on. Turn the engine over a few times by hand just to make sure everything still lines up. (in my case about 12 times forward and backwards just to absolutely check everything!!!) I'm sure Trikey will be along soon to explain it better than I ever could...
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How did you share the tasks? It would be an understatement to say that it was "a pain" for one person to hold two sprocket wheels in a precise position against considerable valve spring pressure with just one hand on each.
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That's not true. There is a tool separately available for the 190 engine. Some members say that the spigots on the standard tool can be reversed to achieve the same result. Quote:
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The tool is really an aid for speed of fitment rather than a necessity. The tone and first part of that paragraph lead me to conclude that you believe me to be a liar. That's fine, I've been called worse - If you don't believe me it's no skin off my nose. No it wasn't Trikey, it was a good friend of mine who has been a mechanic for over 25 years. The same person with whom I rebuilt the engine and tuned it in 2007. But I have no doubt that Trikey will be able to explain it better; with a bit of luck a certain S. African gentleman may put in his tuppence, too . Let's just say I've had this conversation a few times before...
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Thanks Ben for taking the time and trouble to answer my questions.
I could not have known that you have fitted aftermarket camshafts to your engine when I mentioned the service tool specific to the 190. That modification raises yet more questions and uncertainty which would not help the majority of us with factory-standard engines. I am also very sorry that you have taken offence at my request to hear your explanation rather than referring me to Trikey who, you have now said, was not involved. I absolutely was not suggesting that you are a liar. I was simply asking you to tell me how you did it. Thank you for the link to the X-Power forum which I have read. It's the only proper account I have seen and it really does "make a mountain out of a mole hill" as well as sailing quite close to the wind at times, but I don't think that there's anything to be gained by pursuing that further. Thanks again for your prompt and helpful replies Ben. Simon
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If the cam pulleys are left in place a ratchet spanner on the the front cam pulley bolt makes a brilliant locking tool against the slam panel and frees up one hand
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