2 dead and 3 serious

macafee2 · 31st August 2016, 16:08

A stolen car has hit pedestrians in South London killing an adult female and a young boy. 3 girls left injured.

Police were chasing stolen car at the time.

I hope driver gets full term sentence for each death and injury to run consecutively, not concurrently.

All the people did it seems was go to the park....now we have shattered lives

macafee2

Mason6 · 31st August 2016, 16:11

So sad but the Police will probably get the blame as usual

Dallas · 31st August 2016, 17:55

A woman and a boy died when a car being chased by police mounted a pavement and crashed "into a family" in south-east London.

Read HERE...

What are peoples views on this?

Should the Police take a different approach and stop these dangerous car chase's, they can easily pursue by air and surround a wide area to move in quietly, just let the joyriders go from A to B... stop these deaths.

... or should the car chase's continue and put the innocent public at serious danger?

lady zed · 31st August 2016, 18:03

Absolutely awful. Stolen car. So what? Not worth a woman and a wee boys life!!!! I'm sure they could have caught him some other way that didn't involve risking innocent lives. For a car.

sworks · 31st August 2016, 18:05

Threads merged as they are the same topic. As the thread progresses please be respectful in all comments.

Scaramanga · 31st August 2016, 18:07

http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=252269

Combination of much tougher penalties for these idiots and more restraint from the Police I guess.

Your right that choppers can track just as easily and relay updates to Police cars in pursuit (who should hang back and not escalate the situation).

Question is did the Police escalate or was there other contributory factors like drugs etc

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Trouble is in the UK penalties are tougher for financial/fraud crime than this type of activity, rape, murder or manslaughter.

The tykes know the consequences for what they do wont be tough so the deterent is non existent.

lady zed · 31st August 2016, 18:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mason6

So sad but the Police will probably get the blame as usual

And so they should! They have a duty of care and the Met seem to have a terrible reputation for a gung ho attitude when it comes to car chases! I bet the pursuers had no training for that kind of situation but did it anyway.

Dallas · 31st August 2016, 18:19

Its believed 20 people lifted the car and the girls crawled out, can you imagine... amazing!

Police will first give chase in the hope the driver will pull over, but when that fails they should back-off.

Reading that article, it states over the last 10 years 252 members of the public have died following road traffic incidents involving the police in England and Wales.

that figure should be zero.

Mason6 · 31st August 2016, 18:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by lady zed

And so they should! They have a duty of care and the Met seem to have a terrible reputation for a gung ho attitude when it comes to car chases! I bet the pursuers had no training for that kind of situation but did it anyway.

... and your basing this on what evidence?

Unless you've been involved in this type of situation there's only opinion and you are, of course entitled to yours!

I absolutely agree a car is not worth the life of anyone however a knee jerk reaction is not always helpful and I would suspect that the officers involved in the pursuit will not exactly be feeling on top of the world right now!
Oh and I am assuming that if the pursuit vehicles were BMW's they would be manned by suitably trained and authorised traffic cops and not response drivers.
Had the BMW pulled over when signalled to do so .... end of

Coups · 31st August 2016, 18:47

We can't know the reasons behind this. We don't know who the driver was or why he was fleeing. If it was just a stolen car then it's unlikely a pursuit would he been authorised in that type of area but we're all just guessing and throwing our opinions out there.

The only thing we can all surely agree on is that this is a terrible tragedy.

The sole person responsible is the 23 year old man who was driving.

Would he have continued to drive like that if the police weren't behind him? Was he driving like that before and that's the reason the police followed? I guess by them having lights and sirens going it gives the public an 'alarm' that somethings happening but as others have said, the police cannot win.

All well and good shouting 'helicopter' but really? I'd it going to be right where they want it at the right time and how do officers airborne lay hands on a crook? In Scotland we have one helicopter, only the one. And this covers the entire country. The chances of it being right above where it's needed.....

Most pursuits last less than 60 seconds in an urban environment.

I really feel for all involved in this horrible incident. There's no winners here at all.

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31st August 2016, 16:08	#1
macafee2 This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon & Tourer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Lincoln Posts: 14,912 Thanks: 1,630 Thanked 3,032 Times in 2,181 Posts	2 dead and 3 serious A stolen car has hit pedestrians in South London killing an adult female and a young boy. 3 girls left injured. Police were chasing stolen car at the time. I hope driver gets full term sentence for each death and injury to run consecutively, not concurrently. All the people did it seems was go to the park....now we have shattered lives macafee2

31st August 2016, 16:11	#2
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Dallas This is my second home 1979 Capri 1.6L, 1982 Capri 1.6L, 2016 Dacia Stepway Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dorset Posts: 8,595 Thanks: 3,496 Thanked 3,397 Times in 2,218 Posts	Police Car Chases A woman and a boy died when a car being chased by police mounted a pavement and crashed "into a family" in south-east London. Read HERE... What are peoples views on this? Should the Police take a different approach and stop these dangerous car chase's, they can easily pursue by air and surround a wide area to move in quietly, just let the joyriders go from A to B... stop these deaths. ... or should the car chase's continue and put the innocent public at serious danger?

31st August 2016, 18:03	#4
lady zed This is my second home Rover 75 Saloon Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: On the edge Posts: 6,659 Thanks: 1,354 Thanked 1,210 Times in 716 Posts	Absolutely awful. Stolen car. So what? Not worth a woman and a wee boys life!!!! I'm sure they could have caught him some other way that didn't involve risking innocent lives. For a car. __________________ it's all about the first person you want to tell good news to

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31st August 2016, 18:07	#6
Scaramanga I really should get out more....... Firefrost 75 CDTi Conn SE manual Tourer Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Wales Posts: 2,319 Thanks: 1,409 Thanked 695 Times in 500 Posts	http://www.the75andztclub.co.uk/foru...d.php?t=252269 Combination of much tougher penalties for these idiots and more restraint from the Police I guess. Your right that choppers can track just as easily and relay updates to Police cars in pursuit (who should hang back and not escalate the situation). Question is did the Police escalate or was there other contributory factors like drugs etc Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Trouble is in the UK penalties are tougher for financial/fraud crime than this type of activity, rape, murder or manslaughter. The tykes know the consequences for what they do wont be tough so the deterent is non existent. __________________ My current 75 is my 4th... 1. Starlight Silver 1.8 manual Saloon- RIP - HGF before I joined this forum 2. White Gold CDTi manual Saloon - RIP - Car accident 3. Midnight Blue 2.5 V6 auto Saloon- 'The 5th Gear Car' - Now owned by another forum member 4. Firefrost CDTi manual Tourer Lee [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

31st August 2016, 18:19	#8
Dallas This is my second home 1979 Capri 1.6L, 1982 Capri 1.6L, 2016 Dacia Stepway Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dorset Posts: 8,595 Thanks: 3,496 Thanked 3,397 Times in 2,218 Posts	Its believed 20 people lifted the car and the girls crawled out, can you imagine... amazing! Police will first give chase in the hope the driver will pull over, but when that fails they should back-off. Reading that article, it states over the last 10 years 252 members of the public have died following road traffic incidents involving the police in England and Wales. that figure should be zero.

31st August 2016, 18:47	#10
Coups Posted a thing or two Rover 75 Contemporary SE Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Dundee Posts: 1,941 Thanks: 545 Thanked 520 Times in 402 Posts	We can't know the reasons behind this. We don't know who the driver was or why he was fleeing. If it was just a stolen car then it's unlikely a pursuit would he been authorised in that type of area but we're all just guessing and throwing our opinions out there. The only thing we can all surely agree on is that this is a terrible tragedy. The sole person responsible is the 23 year old man who was driving. Would he have continued to drive like that if the police weren't behind him? Was he driving like that before and that's the reason the police followed? I guess by them having lights and sirens going it gives the public an 'alarm' that somethings happening but as others have said, the police cannot win. All well and good shouting 'helicopter' but really? I'd it going to be right where they want it at the right time and how do officers airborne lay hands on a crook? In Scotland we have one helicopter, only the one. And this covers the entire country. The chances of it being right above where it's needed..... Most pursuits last less than 60 seconds in an urban environment. I really feel for all involved in this horrible incident. There's no winners here at all. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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