Road charges to fill £40bn black hole?

[andymc]

Originally Posted by andymc

Sure - for clarity, are you asking me why this happens, or where I get the information from?

Originally Posted by COLVERT

Both I guess. It would be interesting to know.---

Originally Posted by andymc

I had come across a table giving realistic ranges for various EVs some time back - I'll try to dig it out for you later.

Apologies, I forgot about this until now. THIS SITE is a pretty good reference point for looking up realistic winter ranges of various EVs. Click on whichever car you're interested in and there will be a section showing a variety of range figures, adjusted for mild or cold weather, as well as city/highway/combined driving. It's clearly marked when these are estimates for cars which are yet to be released, or actual figures for cars already available. Performance and other data are also included.

It's worth pointing out that the cold weather figures are based on ambient temperatures as low as minus 10 Celsius, so for the UK are indicative of an extreme worst-case scenario.

Another site/app worth looking at is A Better Route Planner, which will allow you to plan your route according to the specific EV you're driving and will pick out the best places to stop for a charge in such a way as to maximise your efficiency/minimise your charging time. It may divert you from the most direct route if there's an ultra-fast charger available nearby, or prompt you to recharge well before you start to "run low", as if you're driving a car capable of charging at e.g. 125kW and it takes an extra 5 minutes to reach that charger, but you save 20 minutes of charging time over a 50kW charger, it's clearly worth the diversion.

You can include a wide variety of factors to make it as accurate as possible - maximum speed, traffic density, weather conditions such as wind speed and direction, weight of additional passengers/load, how much battery capacity you'd like to arrive with, etc. It's quite well thought out.

[Lancpudn]

Looks like the days of paying no road tax on EV's will be coming to an end! https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmo...h=680cb5ff4407

[Lovel]

Originally Posted by Lancpudn

Looks like the days of paying no road tax on EV's will be coming to an end! https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmo...h=680cb5ff4407

Article is stating the obvious I would say, also mentions possibly review of VAT on domestic electricity which currently stands at 5%.

Unfortunately the writers are again perpetuating the green washing myth that EV’s don’t pollute or have any impact on the environment.

[wraymond]

I wonder if the squeaky clean Green doom merchants are in any compromised about the slave labour of young children doing the Cobalt mining 20 hours a day for less than a pound and then sleeping under a rock.

It seems to foster and then expound a lie is the quickest way to a self-satisfied holier-than-thou smirk. Are they aware the problem is safely beyond the home counties?

[andymc]

Is this a recent outbreak of human empathy, or were these same concerns sufficient to deter the purchase of any laptop, mobile phone, Kindle, iPad, cordless drill or other device powered by a lithium ion battery? Presumably, anti-EV consciences have long been equally troubled by the plight of children, families, wildlife and the wider environment in Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf coast of the USA, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Angola, Venezuela and all the other places whose lives and health have been blighted by the extraction and spillage of oil for generations. Mauritius is just one recent example.

Nothing is perfect, but as the saying goes "Perfection is the enemy of progress", and moving on from fossil fuels to something less poisonous is a desirable outcome even if the climate is of no concern to you. Thankfully, progress towards zero-cobalt batteries is gathering pace.

[Lancpudn]

Originally Posted by wraymond

I wonder if the squeaky clean Green doom merchants are in any compromised about the slave labour of young children doing the Cobalt mining 20 hours a day for less than a pound and then sleeping under a rock.

It seems to foster and then expound a lie is the quickest way to a self-satisfied holier-than-thou smirk. Are they aware the problem is safely beyond the home counties?

The crude oil business is one of the biggest users of cobalt! besides the stainless steel industry,It's needed in the Desulphurisation of oil. https://www.cobaltinstitute.org/desulphurisation.html

[Ian G]

Somebody mentioned to me yesterday that they think that ending ICE vehicle sales and moving to electric vehicles is just another way for the government to restrict/track our movements.
Apparently they will be able to track your car by where you plug in to recharge it.

[torque2me]

Originally Posted by Ian G

Somebody mentioned to me yesterday that they think that ending ICE vehicle sales and moving to electric vehicles is just another way for the government to restrict/track our movements.
Apparently they will be able to track your car by where you plug in to recharge it.

I have no doubt this will true, certainly if you pay by plastic etc.

Kev

[Lancpudn]

Originally Posted by Ian G

Somebody mentioned to me yesterday that they think that ending ICE vehicle sales and moving to electric vehicles is just another way for the government to restrict/track our movements.
Apparently they will be able to track your car by where you plug in to recharge it.

I was reading that when road charges come into force the new cars will use automatic charging as to where the car is driving via GPS/4g/5g connection with V2X chips in street furniture, traffic lights, roadside sensors etc and on the most congested commuter routes will see higher charges in the twice daily rush hour times, they will know which roads you travel on & what time you drive on them.

[Ian G]

Originally Posted by Lancpudn

I was reading that when road charges come into force the new cars will use automatic charging as to where the car is driving via GPS/4g/5g connection with V2X chips in street furniture, traffic lights, roadside sensors etc and on the most congested commuter routes will see higher charges in the twice daily rush hour times, they will know which roads you travel on & what time you drive on them.

Looks as if a lot of extramarital affairs will be conducted like this in a few years then..