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Old 17th July 2019, 18:59   #11
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I would say the XJ is 2 or more levels above the 75 in terms of class, comfort and status.

I would give an arm & a leg - plus other bits if necessary - for the priviledge of owning and driving an XJ-575. A large, luxurious, V8 with 575BHP available under the right foot and MPG not much worse than my Omega estate.
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Old 17th July 2019, 19:11   #12
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The last real Jaguar shape XJ finished in 2009 - the latest XJ always looked clumsy to me, and the rear end was just awful. I am not surprised that Jaguar Land Rover is reported to be struggling, although I am sad that it is.

I would say that it is because of the shape, design and quality of the post-2008 Jaguars (XJ, XF, XKR, F-type) that JLR are still in the business of making cars. Had these cars not arrived when they did, JLR would have been dead as a car manufacturer.

Despite our love of the quaint, we should recgnise that the market wants cars that look and drive like Mercedes, BMW and Audi as opposed to Rover 75.
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Old 17th July 2019, 19:51   #13
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Stop it Andy! I've been looking at older S-types and now you've got me looking at Lexuses... Lexi?

What.....

Like this one in Leicester?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...S%20430&page=1

Or this private sale in Manchester - only 2 owners with the last one since 2007

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...S%20430&page=1


Sorry mate....


I guess you've seen the S Type R pretty close to you:

http://www.eapj.com/indexforsale.html

Look after yourself.


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Old 17th July 2019, 20:18   #14
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I quite like the early XK8, would luv a 1996 model, fabulous looking motor.
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Old 17th July 2019, 23:20   #15
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Trouble is you DON'T own the Batteries a third party do, Not Jag either!!
all this rubbish about air pollution , heres a few points

its takes 10 barrels oil to make a combustion engine cars, to make a battery car 25 barrels of oil, so more oil up front for materials, then

the power stations are currently running at 96% in Great Britain, if we all go to battery cars the national grid will shut down at 17:05 when we all get home from work . The grid cannot take it and more coal/wind, hydro is being shoved in to push out the Giga watts to the houses. * FROM THE TAIL PIPE TO THE COOLING TOWERS INSTEAD*

These are things the GB government is NOT telling us about. THE end of life CARS ALSO not in here when the cars ARE scrapped in years to come, battery cars are more environmentally worse than the good old combustion engine and will cost YOU to scrap it .

Battery cars will also add to the depletion of oils of plastics, so all things made of plastic will increase household costs, as the great oil fields like Ghawhar ( SAUDI ARABIA) deplete year after year , currently from 9 million barrels a day to just 4.5 million barrels of oil now from 1948 to 2019.

This depletion is NOT being replaced by new technology or new oil fields, Ghawhar field is currently pumping in millions of gallons of water per day to keep the oil pressure up, Battery cars are NOT the answer its a front only.

JAGUAR do not do it keep making beautiful cars with another means... be a class leader , not crowd follower.
It is our consumption of oil that makes the polymer by-products so cheap that it more expensive to recycle used plastic, so we just discard huge quantities of it, polluting the planet. High time the government put a tax on virgin plastic, and cross-subsidised re-cycling of plastics, after all, there is far more waste plastic in the world than we are ever likely to need, as long as we continue to recycle it. And electric motors are so much more efficient than even the latest eco IC engines, even after including the losses from steam turbine generation ( again, far more efficient than the IC engine, even when produced by coal), and grid delivery losses, there is really no argument. Add to that the huge cost of delivering fuel to filling stations by tanker, transport of oil to refineries by supertankers, etc,it becomes apparent that electric cars, or electrification of existing cars, is the only way to make any impact on transport pollution. And as we replace more of our old fossil fuelled power stations with renewables, and roll out further efficiencies in our homes and businesses, more electricity will be available for charging up our cars. But you are correct that our current grid infrastructure is woefully inadequate for the carbon reduction promises made by our not-for-much -longer PM. Solar panels on every new building should be made mandatory. That would help!
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Old 18th July 2019, 07:23   #16
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It is our consumption of oil that makes the polymer by-products so cheap that it more expensive to recycle used plastic, so we just discard huge quantities of it, polluting the planet. High time the government put a tax on virgin plastic, and cross-subsidised re-cycling of plastics, after all, there is far more waste plastic in the world than we are ever likely to need, as long as we continue to recycle it. And electric motors are so much more efficient than even the latest eco IC engines, even after including the losses from steam turbine generation ( again, far more efficient than the IC engine, even when produced by coal), and grid delivery losses, there is really no argument. Add to that the huge cost of delivering fuel to filling stations by tanker, transport of oil to refineries by supertankers, etc,it becomes apparent that electric cars, or electrification of existing cars, is the only way to make any impact on transport pollution. And as we replace more of our old fossil fuelled power stations with renewables, and roll out further efficiencies in our homes and businesses, more electricity will be available for charging up our cars. But you are correct that our current grid infrastructure is woefully inadequate for the carbon reduction promises made by our not-for-much -longer PM. Solar panels on every new building should be made mandatory. That would help!

I had an interesting discussion with a Chartered Engineer a few days ago.

It was about the Birmingham "Clean Air Zone" which is coming in soon.

They made an interesting point:

If the underlying policy/idea is to have "Clean Air" then surely charging isn't the way to do it? Just ban the vehicles that are causing the pollution. That way you get the clean air because the vehicles that are causing the problem aren't there anymore.

Of course that can't happen anytime soon because the vast majority of the vehicles that are the life blood of the City are the ones causing the pollution. No vehicles = economic trading death.

So, similar to the plastics issue if we really want to cut down then we need something that is much more "active" than simply adding another tax.

I've posted elsewhere that we need a proper "Cradle to Grave" environmental (NOT money) impact assessment to tackle the issues. And it needs to be Global otherwise I can see the scenario where a very few Countries effectively bankrupt themselves while a few others make a fortune while ignoring or, worse, accelerating the problems.

I heard that the reason all new properties are do not have mandatory solar panels is because the electricity generation industry were vigorously lobbying against the idea because it would cost them their profits......

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Trouble is you DON'T own the Batteries a third party do, Not Jag either!!
all this rubbish about air pollution , heres a few points

its takes 10 barrels oil to make a combustion engine cars, to make a battery car 25 barrels of oil, so more oil up front for materials, then

the power stations are currently running at 96% in Great Britain, if we all go to battery cars the national grid will shut down at 17:05 when we all get home from work . The grid cannot take it and more coal/wind, hydro is being shoved in to push out the Giga watts to the houses. * FROM THE TAIL PIPE TO THE COOLING TOWERS INSTEAD*

These are things the GB government is NOT telling us about. THE end of life CARS ALSO not in here when the cars ARE scrapped in years to come, battery cars are more environmentally worse than the good old combustion engine and will cost YOU to scrap it .

Battery cars will also add to the depletion of oils of plastics, so all things made of plastic will increase household costs, as the great oil fields like Ghawhar ( SAUDI ARABIA) deplete year after year , currently from 9 million barrels a day to just 4.5 million barrels of oil now from 1948 to 2019.

This depletion is NOT being replaced by new technology or new oil fields, Ghawhar field is currently pumping in millions of gallons of water per day to keep the oil pressure up, Battery cars are NOT the answer its a front only.

JAGUAR do not do it keep making beautiful cars with another means... be a class leader , not crowd follower.
The stuff coming from the cooling towers is nothing more than water vapour, the other stuff comes out of the chimney.
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Old 18th July 2019, 14:12   #18
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I quite like the early XK8, would luv a 1996 model, fabulous looking motor.

Wes

like this one, and in red as well, but now sold

http://www.parkwayspecialistcars.co....k8-convertible

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Old 18th July 2019, 16:25   #19
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like this one, and in red as well, but now sold

http://www.parkwayspecialistcars.co....k8-convertible

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Oh Wow! that is car porn at its best Stu.
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Oh Wow! that is car porn at its best Stu.
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Very nice, but this one is much better, even if a little more expensive. This is what I call car porn

http://www.parkwayspecialistcars.co....8-convertible/

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