ZR 160 - why a turbo in a ZT?

sikelsh · 22nd November 2010, 18:05

This is probably a silly question, but I am right to think that the 160 ZR is Normally Aspirated 1.8 engine? and it produces 160bhp?

If so how? and why do we have a turbo?

And I suppose the next question is why hasnt anyone used the ZR 1.8 with the ZT Turbo?

Simon

VVC-Geeza · 22nd November 2010, 18:13

ZR160 is a VVC,which is not ideally suited to hauling a big car around (so i'm told).The Turbo raises the pulling power of the standard 1.8.

car13 · 22nd November 2010, 18:20

MG introduced the MG ZT 1.8T to attrack the mass market of fleet car / company car drivers as for many the taxable benefit to be paid by driver stopped them ordering a V6. Likewise a lot of companies would not allow V6's on car lists.

The nasp 1.8 circa 120 bhp was fitted with low pressure turbo to produce
a very drivable ZT. With lowever compression and the Garrat charger a 160 car
was created.

As soon as the cars came out I ordered one, as did thousands of others.

Later in the decline of MG in a move to get as many cars sold as possible the ZT 1.8 nasp was launched.

The K4 ening is a cracking engine and even with the extra weight the 1.8T was and is a very lively car to drive.

However die to emissions rules the ZT never got to have the T16 engine which is a real shame as this was a true turbo rover production engine.

However thanks to our greener european rules all the fun in motoring has gone.....

Civic type R with crazy VTEC gone.....
Focus T5 going......

VVC-Geeza · 22nd November 2010, 20:11

Although the 160 VVC and the 1.8K T produce similar peak power,the 1.8K T was chosen for the 75/ZT because it has much greater torque than the VVC at low revs,something which is required to get a big heavy car off the mark.

Rico135+ · 23rd November 2010, 09:53

There is a 1.8T ZR floating about. I believe it was an experimental car from Longbridge that was sold off when they went under.

It belongs to these guys (If you click on the 'Road Upgrades' section of this website it has some info...)

http://www.zandf-tuning.co.uk/

Yella Fella · 23rd November 2010, 11:26

Heres the info from that site on the ZR 1.8 Turbo . . .

Our car happens to be the unique Longbridge factory prototype ZR built to test the K1.8 turbo installation, complete with Mems 3 management.

We intend to offer ECU support for your own ZR and TF turbo projects, and may announce a complete installation package subject to demand.

http://www.zandf-tuning.co.uk/

VVC-Geeza · 23rd November 2010, 11:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yella Fella

Heres the info from that site on the ZR 1.8 Turbo . . .

Our car happens to be the unique Longbridge factory prototype ZR built to test the K1.8 turbo installation, complete with Mems 3 management.

We intend to offer ECU support for your own ZR and TF turbo projects, and may announce a complete installation package subject to demand.

http://www.zandf-tuning.co.uk/

Can i also add that zandf have run the 1.8T the other side of 200bhp without any issues.

sikelsh · 23rd November 2010, 14:49

mmmm interesting on the 1.8t ZR

Thanks for the info chaps, I still dont quite understand why no one has used the VVC 160 and a Turbo

I have seen a few webpages showing ZRs with the T series engine

carl · 23rd November 2010, 16:41

there is a dutch lass running a vvc with a turbo in aZR but it spend half its life in the garage

VVC-Geeza · 23rd November 2010, 17:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by sikelsh

mmmm interesting on the 1.8t ZR

Thanks for the info chaps, I still dont quite understand why no one has used the VVC 160 and a Turbo

Mainly because mapping is a nightmare, and the build costs a fortune.

It can be done though if your pockets are deep enough
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2738640/1997-rover-216 337bhp

22nd November 2010, 18:05	#1
sikelsh This is my second home MGF Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Boston Posts: 4,865 Thanks: 123 Thanked 281 Times in 178 Posts	ZR 160 - why a turbo in a ZT? This is probably a silly question, but I am right to think that the 160 ZR is Normally Aspirated 1.8 engine? and it produces 160bhp? If so how? and why do we have a turbo? And I suppose the next question is why hasnt anyone used the ZR 1.8 with the ZT Turbo? Simon __________________ Si Kelsh

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VVC-Geeza This is my second home 2005 Connoisseur SE 1.8 Turbo,2004 45 1.8 Connoisseur and my beloved 1998 VVC Coupe. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Derby. Posts: 8,761 Thanks: 2,022 Thanked 1,016 Times in 739 Posts	ZR160 is a VVC,which is not ideally suited to hauling a big car around (so i'm told).The Turbo raises the pulling power of the standard 1.8. __________________

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car13 Avid contributor MGZT road MGZR wifes & MGZS race car Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: westhoughton Posts: 212 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1.8T = Company car drivers MG introduced the MG ZT 1.8T to attrack the mass market of fleet car / company car drivers as for many the taxable benefit to be paid by driver stopped them ordering a V6. Likewise a lot of companies would not allow V6's on car lists. The nasp 1.8 circa 120 bhp was fitted with low pressure turbo to produce a very drivable ZT. With lowever compression and the Garrat charger a 160 car was created. As soon as the cars came out I ordered one, as did thousands of others. Later in the decline of MG in a move to get as many cars sold as possible the ZT 1.8 nasp was launched. The K4 ening is a cracking engine and even with the extra weight the 1.8T was and is a very lively car to drive. However die to emissions rules the ZT never got to have the T16 engine which is a real shame as this was a true turbo rover production engine. However thanks to our greener european rules all the fun in motoring has gone..... Civic type R with crazy VTEC gone..... Focus T5 going...... __________________ Vulcan Racing - MG & Honda Race Team www.vulcanracing.co.uk

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VVC-Geeza This is my second home 2005 Connoisseur SE 1.8 Turbo,2004 45 1.8 Connoisseur and my beloved 1998 VVC Coupe. Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Derby. Posts: 8,761 Thanks: 2,022 Thanked 1,016 Times in 739 Posts	Although the 160 VVC and the 1.8K T produce similar peak power,the 1.8K T was chosen for the 75/ZT because it has much greater torque than the VVC at low revs,something which is required to get a big heavy car off the mark. __________________

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Rico135+ Avid contributor MG ZT-T CDTi 135+ Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bicester Posts: 116 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	There is a 1.8T ZR floating about. I believe it was an experimental car from Longbridge that was sold off when they went under. It belongs to these guys (If you click on the 'Road Upgrades' section of this website it has some info...) http://www.zandf-tuning.co.uk/

23rd November 2010, 14:49	#8
sikelsh This is my second home MGF Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Boston Posts: 4,865 Thanks: 123 Thanked 281 Times in 178 Posts	mmmm interesting on the 1.8t ZR Thanks for the info chaps, I still dont quite understand why no one has used the VVC 160 and a Turbo I have seen a few webpages showing ZRs with the T series engine __________________ Si Kelsh

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