Trader purchase not as promised, now lack of contact details?

[WillyHeckaslike]

I never did any business with the person in question but if I had and he had scammed me to the extent of some that I've read of his location I very much doubt would put him beyond the reach of the law, Canada is not a lawless 3rd world country. He might be banned from this site but there still might be incriminating messages in his closed account which should be accessible and legally so for any legal action/process. To those who have lost money why not post of how much and organize a collective case to present to our police as an online fraud case. Regards payment method, if not via paypal then how? I would hope that no one paid for any big ticket items via any means which precluded any recovery of funds outwith legal action - such as wire transfers etc.

[steve-45]

I think that with most of these things you have to weigh up the possible legal costs against the amount involved.
Getting a judgement is one thing, but actually recovering any monies is a different kettle of fish.

[WillyHeckaslike]

Our police have departments which specialize in online fraud. If the scale of the fraud meets their requirements they might well pursue it as a criminal matter. Also the Uk does have an extradition agreement with Canada which at the end of the day could see any fraudster trialed and banged up here on conviction.

[steve-45]

Do we know the actual sums of monies involved?

I have a feeling that this was more of a business that went wrong rather than an intentional fraud, if so it would fall under civil law and not criminal law. He was supplying items for some time, my dealings with him were OK and Jeff fitted it for me ( my O/H still talks about his cats).

The Police don't normally get involved in Civil cases.

[trebor]

It is sad to read this and you can understand anyone losing money wants someone to blame and get recompense, but the members who tried to help Sean mentioned above are all decent honest people who have also lost out to Sean in one way or another.

Seans legacy still lives on with all the second rate ICE units he used to sell, I still have one in my car that has a mind of its own and its only a matter of time before it gets replaced.

The members mentioned above are not the only ones duped by Sean, I know Steve (Devilish ) when Sean first came on the scene long before he sold lots of ICE units agreed to take delivery of Roewe and MG7 bumpers in the UK and ship them on, Steve is still owed a few hundred pounds in shipping Sean never gave him back, and Sean also still owes me a spare MG7 grille which he begged Steve to send onto Italy for a customer with a promise to replace mine in the next shipment but of course I never had the grille or a refund.

So I bet all the members on here who tried to help Sean regret the day they got involved and are in no way responsible for his underhand dealings , there is only 1 person to blame

[Terryf]

I must have been very lucky then, every thing I paid for, I received. Navall 2 and updates and TPMS. All still working.
Terry

[WillyHeckaslike]

Originally Posted by Terryf

I must have been very lucky then, every thing I paid for, I received. Navall 2 and updates and TPMS. All still working. Terry

Classic tactics of a Ponzi scheme - maybe?

Sweets for a selective minority but for most????

[Ched]

I was recently on two different german car forums, to my surprise his name was mentioned and he has ripped many people off on those as well.

I too was one of the lucky ones having bought a navall and a set of mg7 rear lights from him.

[stevestrat]

Originally Posted by Ched

I was recently on two different german car forums, to my surprise his name was mentioned and he has ripped many people off on those as well.

Members here were by no means alone, he was a supplier/trader on numerous forums/clubs leaving a lot of people in the lurch.

[Dorset Bob]

Originally Posted by WillyHeckaslike

Our police have departments which specialize in online fraud. If the scale of the fraud meets their requirements they might well pursue it as a criminal matter. Also the Uk does have an extradition agreement with Canada which at the end of the day could see any fraudster trialed and banged up here on conviction.

They do, it is dealt with Nationally by "Action Fraud" which comes under the City of London Police Force. https://www.actionfraud.police.uk/

If I read your post 6 months ago I would have agreed totally, but now sadly not.

My mother was scammed out of over £11,000, by a letting agent who kept all of the income from her rented house. This was meant to offset some of he care home fees.
She is a 90 year old widow, with dementia, so didn't know what was going on. A perfect victim.

I know who this guy is, where he lives and have it in writing that he owes (stolen) the money.
I have more evidence that you can shake a stick at, signed agreements, statements etc.
There are also many other victims.

Despite that Action Fraud has responded
"On this occasion, based on the information currently available, it has not been possible to identify a line of enquiry which a law enforcement organisation in the United Kingdom could pursue."

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Sadly, there is very little chance of getting a successful conviction for fraud against individuals.

Originally Posted by steve-45

The Police don't normally get involved in Civil cases.

I think that that post is spot on, they will more than often consider it as such.
To be fair, I do not believe that they have the resources to do otherwise.