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torque2me · 25th February 2022, 04:49

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Originally Posted by VVC-Geeza

I see there have been demonstrations in Russia against the war but were quickly crushed by the police/military.

Which is exactly what will happen to any country occupied by Russia.

In 1938/9 many countries distanced themselves by declaring neutrality but that did not protect them. There lessons from that era which need re-learning.

Kev

mbev51 · 25th February 2022, 06:22

We need to know why so much Russian money came into this country and what influence did it buy. I’m afraid the West has been sleepwalking with regard to Russia for as long as Putin has been in power. He should have served his term and been forced to step down. There’s a small chance if the Ukraine people continue to resist and things get drawn out Putin will come under pressure. Western governments need to target Putin and his cronies, hit them where it hurts. We are entering a new Cold War period, I hope I’m wrong.

torque2me · 25th February 2022, 07:39

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Originally Posted by mbev51

We need to know why so much Russian money came into this country and what influence did it buy. I’m afraid the West has been sleepwalking with regard to Russia for as long as Putin has been in power. He should have served his term and been forced to step down. There’s a small chance if the Ukraine people continue to resist and things get drawn out Putin will come under pressure. Western governments need to target Putin and his cronies, hit them where it hurts. We are entering a new Cold War period, I hope I’m wrong.

Brown envelopes speaks louder than words and lethargy is more comfortable than action.

Kev

Borg Warner · 25th February 2022, 07:45

Interesting how suddenly the world is populated by experts (or should that be exspurts?) in the field of military tactics, defence, European history and politics. All offering advice on what should have be done, what should be done, who can do what, where, how and what with. All saying none of this would have happened if someone else was it charge. And of course who is to blame.

Well whatever happens I ain't going to worry over it much. It'll be what it will be.

Borg Warner · 25th February 2022, 07:54

Oh and the misinformation:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60513452

KWIL · 25th February 2022, 13:14

Perhaps they should not watch RT, the propaganda channel of Putin, which also needs to be taken down, or should that be put down?

wraymond · 25th February 2022, 15:57

I wonder about the Russian, or should I say Bolshevic, parliament. Add to that the thousands of Russians now domiciled in the West and elsewhere who are seeing their vast funds being targeted. Are there no objections to this madcap aggression from any source of government in Russia? There must be someone with the nerve to reign him in. Even so, even the EU is reluctant to get involved in retaliation by using the Swift banking system. What a shower they are.

clf · 25th February 2022, 17:29

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Originally Posted by wraymond

I wonder about the Russian, or should I say Bolshevic, parliament. Add to that the thousands of Russians now domiciled in the West and elsewhere who are seeing their vast funds being targeted. Are there no objections to this madcap aggression from any source of government in Russia? There must be someone with the nerve to reign him in. Even so, even the EU is reluctant to get involved in retaliation by using the Swift banking system. What a shower they are.

The problem with the swift system would mean they would start to use (or solely use) the Chinese equivalent. This seemingly would cause financial problems for a lot of EU countries, in particular Germany. Not to mention when things settle down again, and countries start to trade again with Russia, they may force those countries to sign up to the Chinese banking and money system, which would then destabilise the position of the dollar as being the currency of choice for transactions (think of population sizes).

roverbarmy · 25th February 2022, 17:59

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Originally Posted by clf

The problem with the swift system would mean they would start to use (or solely use) the Chinese equivalent..

...... until China invades Taiwan!

clf · 25th February 2022, 18:30

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Originally Posted by roverbarmy

...... until China invades Taiwan!

They would continue to use it, and that would make it easier for China to retake control of Taiwan (not invade), but that will be after Hong Kong of course.

Russia will not be concerned and likely understand and support China in their demands (and Tibet too). Russia will be at the very least a moral supporter, if not a military and financial supporter.

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mbev51 Banned Removed Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Removed Posts: 1,343 Thanks: 171 Thanked 315 Times in 223 Posts	We need to know why so much Russian money came into this country and what influence did it buy. I’m afraid the West has been sleepwalking with regard to Russia for as long as Putin has been in power. He should have served his term and been forced to step down. There’s a small chance if the Ukraine people continue to resist and things get drawn out Putin will come under pressure. Western governments need to target Putin and his cronies, hit them where it hurts. We are entering a new Cold War period, I hope I’m wrong.

25th February 2022, 07:45	#34
Borg Warner I really should get out more....... None Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2,579 Thanks: 494 Thanked 657 Times in 402 Posts	Interesting how suddenly the world is populated by experts (or should that be exspurts?) in the field of military tactics, defence, European history and politics. All offering advice on what should have be done, what should be done, who can do what, where, how and what with. All saying none of this would have happened if someone else was it charge. And of course who is to blame. Well whatever happens I ain't going to worry over it much. It'll be what it will be.

25th February 2022, 07:54	#35
Borg Warner I really should get out more....... None Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2,579 Thanks: 494 Thanked 657 Times in 402 Posts	Oh and the misinformation: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60513452

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KWIL Precise Rover 75 Tourer 2.5KV6 Connoisseur SE Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Fleet Posts: 2,952 Thanks: 630 Thanked 617 Times in 480 Posts	Perhaps they should not watch RT, the propaganda channel of Putin, which also needs to be taken down, or should that be put down?