How Germany is handling refugees

[Gate Keeper]

Originally Posted by MissMoppet

And from our experience from renting out a bungalow we inherited, one set of (English by the way) tenants decided to rearrange the plumbing, refit new doors and generally muck the place up. And of course they did a moonlight. Cost us £2000 + to put right. We sold the place soon after: I hated being a landlord.

Bad luck you had tenants who messed up your bungalow. £2,000 plus is a big hit on your wallet.

The refugee rehousing scheme I referred to collapsed after funding was withdrawn. After that, we went with a letting agency. We had some bad experiences with tenants. One had to be evicted for long standing non payment of rent. Then there was a male couple who messed up our double glazing by never opening the windows even in the summer. They put holes in the hallway walls to hang their bicycles. The last tenant never used curtains, instead she glued rolls of silver foil all over the windows and she painted the toilet basin pink. The front door was dented and cracked as though someone had given it a good kicking. We gave her notice to quit and after she left, she went to independent adjudication to get her deposit back, but the adjudicator ruled in our favour, she did not have her money returned.

We have just sold the flat.

[Rev Jules]

I have been reading the threads on here reference taking in refugees, and hand on heart would be willing to take a small family in, but there are nagging doubts as to could I trust them when we are not in, or away on holiday so please don't badly of me for my way of thinking, I know these people are in desperate need of a safe haven after all the hardships they have been through
but we would have a lot too lose by taking in the wrong sort who have nothing.

Rev.

[macafee2]

Originally Posted by Rev Jules

I have been reading the threads on here reference taking in refugees, and hand on heart would be willing to take a small family in, but there are nagging doubts as to could I trust them when we are not in, or away on holiday so please don't badly of me for my way of thinking, I know these people are in desperate need of a safe haven after all the hardships they have been through
but we would have a lot too lose by taking in the wrong sort who have nothing.

Rev.

I am exactly the same. when I am out, they are out, no keys.
For anyone considering this, check your household insurance.

macafee2

[Arctic]

For anyone considering this, check your household insurance.

macafee2

Therefore if they are not to be in your house if you are going out and they have to stay out until you arrive back, as you will not let them have the keys to your home, you are in affect/effect- their jailer.

[macafee2]

Originally Posted by Arctic

Therefore if they are not to be in your house if you are going out and they have to stay out until you arrive back, as you will not let them have the keys to your home, you are in affect/effect- their jailer.

eerrrmm, no I don't think so as they can go out "when they want". I appreciate it may not be nice for them but if that is all I could offer. I have considered using my caravan for when we are out, this would give them somewhere warm and dry.
I did look at the government web site yesterday. My understanding, if you know a refugee you can contact them and offer your home. If you don't then contact a charity that is helping find accommodation. I have also been onto the council but did not get to to speak to the person I apparently needed to.

macafee2

[clf]

Originally Posted by macafee2

eerrrmm, no I don't think so as they can go out "when they want". I appreciate it may not be nice for them but if that is all I could offer. I have considered using my caravan for when we are out, this would give them somewhere warm and dry.


macafee2

am I reading this correctly, 'for when we are out, this would give them somewhere warm and dry'? This is exactly what I said after I built an insulated 'kennel' for a neighbour's young cat that refused to stay at her house when they got a dog.

This was after we found her seeking 'refuge' in bad weather, in and around garden furniture in our back yard. At first we didnt let her stay in the house when we went out, due to our cats, and not knowing her habits etc. But she only wants to stay in the house when the weather is particularly bad, and has made our home, yard and the kennel, her home (this is all with the blessing of our neighbour by the way).

You do realise that any Ukrainian refugees would be real people, granted you could argue that they are like a stray animal, but they are actually human beings with fragile emotions, and shattered lives and dreams. How would you feel if this was you? THIS TV show, whilst a comedy, does highlight some basic issues that you and I may not realise.

It sounds as though you feel guilty for not being willing to open your home to refugees, there is nothing wrong with that, and I get your reluctance. But as Steve states, you are effectively becoming their jailor, although I would suggest master would be a more appropriate term. There are other ways that you can help (if you want to), you do not have to give up your home. Perhaps contacting a charity for refugees, and offering support in the form of company, showing refugees around/local 'custom', or driving them places, getting groceries, DIY etc.

(the caravan in itself may be a good idea, although access to basic facilities - running water, toilet, electricity may be required for independence and dignity)

[trikey]

If you cannot welcome them as you would a family member or a mate then you shouldn’t bother at all in my opinion.

These poor souls have been through hell and this is only the beginning for them, many of the women will not have husbands to rejoin them, the children will have lost family members and a lot of them will be traumatised forever with what is happening.

My mother and father thankfully survived living through ww2 and some of the stories were awful, and they were the lucky ones.

These folk need shelter, warmth, food and safety until they can figure out how to get their lives back to some form of normality.

[macafee2]

Originally Posted by clf

am I reading this correctly, 'for when we are out, this would give them somewhere warm and dry'? This is exactly what I said after I built an insulated 'kennel' for a neighbour's young cat that refused to stay at her house when they got a dog.

This was after we found her seeking 'refuge' in bad weather, in and around garden furniture in our back yard. At first we didnt let her stay in the house when we went out, due to our cats, and not knowing her habits etc. But she only wants to stay in the house when the weather is particularly bad, and has made our home, yard and the kennel, her home (this is all with the blessing of our neighbour by the way).

You do realise that any Ukrainian refugees would be real people, granted you could argue that they are like a stray animal, but they are actually human beings with fragile emotions, and shattered lives and dreams. How would you feel if this was you? THIS TV show, whilst a comedy, does highlight some basic issues that you and I may not realise.

It sounds as though you feel guilty for not being willing to open your home to refugees, there is nothing wrong with that, and I get your reluctance. But as Steve states, you are effectively becoming their jailor, although I would suggest master would be a more appropriate term. There are other ways that you can help (if you want to), you do not have to give up your home. Perhaps contacting a charity for refugees, and offering support in the form of company, showing refugees around/local 'custom', or driving them places, getting groceries, DIY etc.

(the caravan in itself may be a good idea, although access to basic facilities - running water, toilet, electricity may be required for independence and dignity)

I do feel bad not feeling totally at ease giving them free run of my home. I do not mean to be their jailer.
My fear of being a victim from someone I would be helping is quite strong.
I have been in touch with a local Polish school that has been collecting donations and we have been shopping to donate. I would be grateful for the help if I were in their shoes but a post on this shows how those helping can get stung.
I know they are real people and I would not compare them to an animal. I cannot get the URL to work.

macafee2

[macafee2]

Originally Posted by trikey

If you cannot welcome them as you would a family member or a mate then you shouldn’t bother at all in my opinion.

These poor souls have been through hell and this is only the beginning for them, many of the women will not have husbands to rejoin them, the children will have lost family members and a lot of them will be traumatised forever with what is happening.

My mother and father thankfully survived living through ww2 and some of the stories were awful, and they were the lucky ones.

These folk need shelter, warmth, food and safety until they can figure out how to get their lives back to some form of normality.

I'm sorry you feel that way, I seem to have upset you with my fears. My dad was a refugee so perhaps I should know better

macafee2

[macafee2]

Originally Posted by Arctic

Is the £350 per month including food & shopping for the extra people, more water will be used, more electric, more gas, if that cost include the above a family of 3 one adult & two children would use up at least £100 per week easy.

I also read or heard the person whom owns the home as to be vetted, are the refugees vetted too?

I wonder how many of the MP's will allow their second homes to be used

I doubt any of these will be used for the refugees
https://www.veranda.com/luxury-lifes...-family-homes/

If money can be found to help kill people, then money can be found to help people surely.

apparently refugees will be vetted, goodness knows how well.

macafee2