Flybe and APD

Darcydog · 14th January 2020, 06:06

Sorry to see Flybe struggling.

A SW firm with a basically sound business model but for the imposition of the Air Passenger Duty tax which has to be paid each time one of their planes takes off.

This stupidity was said by some to be a worthwhile move to help save the planet.

Now, a slice of reality is presented in that this tax has taken Flybe to the wall and the Government is now likely to significantly reduce this tax across the board as it cannot selectively help Flybe under current rules.

Common sense at last?

I do hope so.

Lancpudn · 14th January 2020, 06:42

I was reading yesterday the powers that be want to end all concessionary taxes on aviation and put a blanket green tax in place on all flights coming into & out of Europe, Apparently nine countries have signed the pledge to implement these measures.

On the same subject KLM are now advising passengers wanting short haul flights to use the railways instead to keep emissions down.

It's to do with Greta's flight shaming and the railways are seeing a huge rise in passenger numbers.

mbev51 · 14th January 2020, 07:15

Saving our environment will increasingly become the primary issue that permulates everywhere.

Nick Greg · 14th January 2020, 07:34

I doubt the Air Passenger Duty is the sole reason for their predicament. Must be other things too. As usual company blaming everyone else for their woes.

roverbarmy · 14th January 2020, 09:37

Any "handouts" to private companies makes me wonder why some and not others? MGR didn't get a handout, nor did Thomas Cooks. Where will it end? Nobody helped me out during the financial crisis. I closed my business rather than building up huge debts with creditors. Everybody got paid and I had to start life all over again! Perhaps I am too honest or just too cynical to be in the modern business environment.

Nick Greg · 14th January 2020, 09:42

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Originally Posted by roverbarmy

Any "handouts" to private companies makes me wonder why some and not others? MGR didn't get a handout, nor did Thomas Cooks. Where will it end? Nobody helped me out during the financial crisis. I closed my business rather than building up huge debts with creditors. Everybody got paid and I had to start life all over again! Perhaps I am too honest or just too cynical to be in the modern business environment.

Sounds to me like you are just a thoroughly decent and honest chap.
Playing fast and loose with someone else's money is nothing to be proud of, sadly it goes on all the time.

Nick Greg · 14th January 2020, 14:47

Flybe's financial history is not exactly stellar. APD I would argue has little to do with their historical financial woes. Must go a lot deeper than that I would have thought but none of us really know the real story at this moment in time. Will have to see what comes out in the wash later. Hopefully some sort of rescue may come about but they have already been "rescued" once.

trikey · 15th January 2020, 19:25

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Originally Posted by roverbarmy

Any "handouts" to private companies makes me wonder why some and not others? MGR didn't get a handout, nor did Thomas Cooks. Where will it end? Nobody helped me out during the financial crisis. I closed my business rather than building up huge debts with creditors. Everybody got paid and I had to start life all over again! Perhaps I am too honest or just too cynical to be in the modern business environment.

Depends which MP has friends on the board of directors...

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Darcydog This is my second home Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 5,428 Thanks: 3,123 Thanked 3,170 Times in 2,096 Posts	Flybe and APD Sorry to see Flybe struggling. A SW firm with a basically sound business model but for the imposition of the Air Passenger Duty tax which has to be paid each time one of their planes takes off. This stupidity was said by some to be a worthwhile move to help save the planet. Now, a slice of reality is presented in that this tax has taken Flybe to the wall and the Government is now likely to significantly reduce this tax across the board as it cannot selectively help Flybe under current rules. Common sense at last? I do hope so.

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Lancpudn This is my second home MG ZS EV Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Lancashire Posts: 15,590 Thanks: 4,591 Thanked 3,427 Times in 2,565 Posts	I was reading yesterday the powers that be want to end all concessionary taxes on aviation and put a blanket green tax in place on all flights coming into & out of Europe, Apparently nine countries have signed the pledge to implement these measures. On the same subject KLM are now advising passengers wanting short haul flights to use the railways instead to keep emissions down. It's to do with Greta's flight shaming and the railways are seeing a huge rise in passenger numbers. __________________ Blessed are the tea makers. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3b...auto-2000_auto

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roverbarmy This is my second home Roverless + 1.7D Sportage Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: East Norfolk Posts: 7,050 Thanks: 729 Thanked 2,021 Times in 1,449 Posts	Any "handouts" to private companies makes me wonder why some and not others? MGR didn't get a handout, nor did Thomas Cooks. Where will it end? Nobody helped me out during the financial crisis. I closed my business rather than building up huge debts with creditors. Everybody got paid and I had to start life all over again! Perhaps I am too honest or just too cynical to be in the modern business environment. __________________ Oil in my veins!

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Nick Greg Posted a thing or two Honda Insight Hybrid Join Date: May 2015 Location: Brighouse Posts: 1,157 Thanks: 691 Thanked 424 Times in 280 Posts	I doubt the Air Passenger Duty is the sole reason for their predicament. Must be other things too. As usual company blaming everyone else for their woes.

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Nick Greg Posted a thing or two Honda Insight Hybrid Join Date: May 2015 Location: Brighouse Posts: 1,157 Thanks: 691 Thanked 424 Times in 280 Posts	Flybe's financial history is not exactly stellar. APD I would argue has little to do with their historical financial woes. Must go a lot deeper than that I would have thought but none of us really know the real story at this moment in time. Will have to see what comes out in the wash later. Hopefully some sort of rescue may come about but they have already been "rescued" once.